From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jens Axboe Subject: Re: IORING_REGISTER_CREDS[_UPDATE]() and credfd_create()? Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <43a57f2a-16da-e657-3dca-5aa3afe31318@kernel.dk> References: <688e187a-75dd-89d9-921c-67de228605ce@samba.org> <1ac31828-e915-6180-cdb4-36685442ea75@kernel.dk> <0d4f43d8-a0c4-920b-5b8f-127c1c5a3fad@kernel.dk> <15ca72fd-5750-db7c-2404-2dd4d53dd196@gmail.com> <82b20ec2-ceaa-93f1-4cce-889a933f2c7a@kernel.dk> <60253bd9-93a7-4d76-93b6-586e4f55138c@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <60253bd9-93a7-4d76-93b6-586e4f55138c-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> Content-Language: en-US Sender: linux-api-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: Pavel Begunkov , Stefan Metzmacher Cc: io-uring , Linux API Mailing List List-Id: linux-api@vger.kernel.org On 1/28/20 1:50 PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: > On 28/01/2020 23:19, Jens Axboe wrote: >> On 1/28/20 1:16 PM, Pavel Begunkov wrote: >>> On 28/01/2020 22:42, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>> On 1/28/20 11:04 AM, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>> On 1/28/20 10:19 AM, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>>> On 1/28/20 9:19 AM, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>>>>> On 1/28/20 9:17 AM, Stefan Metzmacher wrote: >>>>>> OK, so here are two patches for testing: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/log/?h=for-5.6/io_uring-vfs-creds >>>>>> >>>>>> #1 adds support for registering the personality of the invoking task, >>>>>> and #2 adds support for IORING_OP_USE_CREDS. Right now it's limited to >>>>>> just having one link, it doesn't support a chain of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll try and write a test case for this just to see if it actually works, >>>>>> so far it's totally untested. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adding Pavel to the CC. >>>>> >>>>> Minor tweak to ensuring we do the right thing for async offload as well, >>>>> and it tests fine for me. Test case is: >>>>> >>>>> - Run as root >>>>> - Register personality for root >>>>> - create root only file >>>>> - check we can IORING_OP_OPENAT the file >>>>> - switch to user id test >>>>> - check we cannot IORING_OP_OPENAT the file >>>>> - check that we can open the file with IORING_OP_USE_CREDS linked >>>> >>>> I didn't like it becoming a bit too complicated, both in terms of >>>> implementation and use. And the fact that we'd have to jump through >>>> hoops to make this work for a full chain. >>>> >>>> So I punted and just added sqe->personality and IOSQE_PERSONALITY. >>>> This makes it way easier to use. Same branch: >>>> >>>> https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/log/?h=for-5.6/io_uring-vfs-creds >>>> >>>> I'd feel much better with this variant for 5.6. >>>> >>> >>> To be honest, sounds pretty dangerous. Especially since somebody started talking >>> about stealing fds from a process, it could lead to a nasty loophole somehow. >>> E.g. root registers its credentials, passes io_uring it to non-privileged >>> children, and then some process steals the uring fd (though, it would need >>> priviledged mode for code-injection or else). Could we Cc here someone really >>> keen on security? >> >> Link? If you can steal fds, then surely you've already lost any sense of > > https://lwn.net/Articles/808997/ > But I didn't looked up it yet. This isn't new by any stretch, it's always been possible to pass file descriptors through SCM_RIGHTS. This just gives you a new way to do it. That's not stealing or leaking, it's deliberately passing it to someone else. >> security in the first place? Besides, if root registered the ring, the root >> credentials are already IN the ring. I don't see how this adds any extra >> holes. > > Isn't it what you fixed in ("don't use static creds/mm assignments") ? Sure, but SQPOLL still uses it. > I'm not sure what capability (and whether any) it would need, but > better to think such cases through. Just saying, I would prefer to ask > a person with extensive security experience, unlike me. I don't disagree, but I really don't think this is any different than what we already allow. -- Jens Axboe