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From: subscivan <subscivan@gmail.com>
To: Jean Delvare <jdelvare@suse.de>,
	"Ivan.khoronzhuk" <ivan.khoronzhuk@globallogic.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, matt.fleming@intel.com,
	ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, grant.likely@linaro.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	mikew@google.com, dmidecode-devel@nongnu.org,
	leif.lindholm@linaro.org, msalter@redhat.com,
	roy.franz@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 2/3] firmware: dmi_scan: add SBMIOS entry and DMI tables
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:27:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <552FF0E4.709@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1429199064.4386.93.camel@chaos.site>

Jean,

On 16.04.15 18:44, Jean Delvare wrote:
> Hi Ivan,
>
> Le Thursday 16 April 2015 à 15:56 +0300, Ivan.khoronzhuk a écrit :
>> On 16.04.15 12:52, Jean Delvare wrote:
>>> On Thu,  2 Apr 2015 15:57:02 +0300, Ivan Khoronzhuk wrote:
>>>> +static BIN_ATTR(smbios_entry_point, S_IRUSR, raw_table_read, NULL, 0);
>>> This one could be world-readable as it contains no sensitive
>>> information.
>> It contains the address of DMI table containing sensitive information.
>> Who knows which ways can be used to take it. Anyway, no see reasons in this
>> w/o DMI table. But if you insist I can do it "world-readable".
> OK, you convinced me.
>
>>>> +struct bin_attribute bin_attr_dmi_table =
>>>> +			__BIN_ATTR(DMI, S_IRUSR, raw_table_read, NULL, 0);
>>> I do not understand why you don't use BIN_ATTR here too? I tried naming
>>> the attribute bin_attr_DMI and it seems to work just fine, checkpatch
>>> doesn't even complain!
>> I dislike upper case in names, at least in such simple names.
>> It makes me using bin_attr_DMI lower in the code. That's why.
>> But if you like it, I will name it "bin_attr_DMI"
> I don't like upper case in names either, but in this specific case, I'd
> do it for consistency. As you wish though, I really only wanted to know
> the reason.
>
>>>> +
>>>> +static int __init dmi_init(void)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	int ret = -ENOMEM;
>>>> +	struct kobject *tables_kobj = NULL;
>>>> +
>>>> +	if (!dmi_available) {
>>>> +		ret = -ENOSYS;
>>>> +		goto err;
>>>> +	}
>>> This is weird. Can this actually happen?
>>>
>>> We currently have two ways to enter this module: dmi_scan_machine(),
>>> which is called by the architecture code, and dmi_init(), which is
>>> called at subsys_initcall time. As far as I can see,
>>> core/arch_initcalls are guaranteed to be always called before
>>> subsys_initcalls. If we can rely on that, the test above is not needed.
>>> If for any reason we can't, that means that dmi_init() should not be a
>>> subsys_initcall, but should instead be called explicitly at the end of
>>> dmi_scan_machine().
>> We cannot be sure that firmware_kobj created at time of dmi_init().
>> The sources don't oblige you to call it at core level,
>> for instance like it was done for arm64. For x86, dmi_init() can be called
>> before firmware_kobj is created.
> Looking at the code, it seems that firmware_kobj is created very, very
> early in the boot process. In do_basic_setup(), you can see that
> driver_init() (which in turn calls firmware_init(), creating
> firmware_kobj) is called before do_initcalls(). So firmware_kobj must be
> defined before dmi_scan_machine() or dmi_init() is called.

No. Not must, rather should. See below.

>
> Oh, and this wasn't even my point ;-) I'm fine with you checking if
> firmware_kobj is defined. My question was about the dmi_available check
> above. But that question was silly anyway, sorry. I confused
> dmi_available with dmi_initialized. Checking for dmi_available is
> perfectly reasonable, please scratch my objection.
>
>> And if I call it from dmi_init() I suppose
>> I would face an error. As I can't call it in dmi_init I can't be sure that
>> DMI is available at all. So, no, we have to check dmi_available here and
>> call it at subsys layer, where it's supposed to be.
> I can't parse that, I suspect you wrote dmi_init where you actually
> meant dmi_scan_machine? Given how early firmware_kobj is created, I
> think the code currently in dmi_init could in fact go at the end of
> dmi_scan_machine.

Actually, dmi_scan_machine can be called even earlier.
As I've sad, for x86, it's called before firmware_kobj is created.

kernel_start()
     setup_arch()
         dmi_scan_machine()

And for firmware_init(), as you noticed already:

start_kernel()
     rest_init()
         kernel_init()
             kernel_init_freeable()
                 do_basic_setup()
                     driver_init()
                         firmware_init()

Pay attentions that setup_arch() is called much earlier than rest_init().
So dmi_init couldn't in fact go at the end of dmi_scan_machine.

> But it's not important for the time being, this can be
> attempted later.
>
>>>> (...)
>>>> +	kobject_del(dmi_kobj);
>>>> +	kobject_put(dmi_kobj);
>>>> +	dmi_kobj = NULL;
>>> I'm wondering, wouldn't it make sense to keep dmi_kobj alive (with an
>>> appropriate comment), so that dmi-sysfs has a chance to load? As it is
>>> now, a bug or some unexpected behavior in this new code could cause a
>>> regression for dmi-sysfs users. Just because I don't like dmi_sysfs
>>> doesn't mean we can break it ;-)
>> As I remember it was not so critical for you last time.
>> "I don't care which way you choose". And I've explained my position.
>> But it's not very hard to me to change it. Anyway patch requires re-push.
> You're right, I did not remember we had discussed this already,
> sorry :-(
>
> Well, I still agree that it doesn't really matter, but of two acceptable
> solutions for an event which will most likely never happen, why not go
> for the ones with the fewer lines of code? ;-)

Ok.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-16 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-02 12:57 [Patch 0/3] firmware: dmi_scan: add SBMIOS entry point and DMI tables Ivan Khoronzhuk
     [not found] ` <1427979423-22767-1-git-send-email-ivan.khoronzhuk-hExfYMNmJl/Cnp4W7fqMDg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 12:57   ` [Patch 1/3] firmware: dmi_scan: rename dmi_table to dmi_decode_table Ivan Khoronzhuk
2015-04-15 11:51     ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]     ` <1427979423-22767-2-git-send-email-ivan.khoronzhuk-hExfYMNmJl/Cnp4W7fqMDg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-15 14:35       ` Matt Fleming
     [not found]         ` <20150415143530.GF4804-mF/unelCI9GS6iBeEJttW/XRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16  8:35           ` Jean Delvare
2015-04-16 20:16             ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
2015-04-17  8:54               ` Jean Delvare
2015-04-17 10:11                 ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
2015-04-17 12:04                   ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
     [not found]                     ` <5530F6C7.6060306-hExfYMNmJl/Cnp4W7fqMDg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-17 12:50                       ` Jean Delvare
2015-04-17 13:40             ` Matt Fleming
2015-04-17 14:12               ` [dmidecode] " Jean Delvare
2015-04-02 12:57   ` [Patch 2/3] firmware: dmi_scan: add SBMIOS entry and DMI tables Ivan Khoronzhuk
2015-04-03  9:36     ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
     [not found]       ` <551E5F0B.6050709-hExfYMNmJl/Cnp4W7fqMDg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-15  4:19         ` Roy Franz
     [not found]           ` <CAFECyb_BGU82vCi0jOz+MbdsxRS-jFoHNsZe5KdOCgpt0K7y+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16  0:54             ` Roy Franz
     [not found]               ` <CAFECyb9RFAEWMOFCDcKKYBgQk85HoDiG2yfyou6X9qm=Wq5+Pg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16  6:48                 ` Jean Delvare
2015-04-16 17:08                   ` Roy Franz
2015-04-16  9:52     ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]       ` <20150416115252.7dc964a3-R0o5gVi9kd7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16 12:56         ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
2015-04-16 15:44           ` [dmidecode] " Jean Delvare
2015-04-16 17:27             ` subscivan [this message]
     [not found]               ` <552FF0E4.709-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-16 17:32                 ` Ivan.khoronzhuk
2015-04-17 13:02                 ` Jean Delvare
2015-04-02 12:57   ` [Patch 3/3] Documentation: ABI: sysfs-firmware-dmi: add -entries suffix to file name Ivan Khoronzhuk
2015-04-15 11:52     ` Jean Delvare

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