From: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Wang Nan <wangnan0@huawei.com>, Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
Daniel Wagner <daniel.wagner@bmw-carit.de>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/3] bpf: introduce current->pid, tgid, uid, gid, comm accessors
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:55:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <557B718B.80604@plumgrid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU0OKoWKgxzUyi9A88Pm1VDfiCmgwbNycZoGbiHa6PzWA@mail.gmail.com>
On 6/12/15 4:47 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com> wrote:
>> On 6/12/15 4:25 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a dangerous tool. Also, shouldn't the returned uid match the
>>> namespace of the task that installed the probe, not the task that's
>>> being probed?
>>
>>
>> so leaking info to unprivileged apps is the concern?
>> The whole thing is for root only as you know.
>> The non-root is still far away. Today root needs to see the whole
>> kernel. That was the goal from the beginning.
>>
>
> This is more of a correctness issue than a security issue. ISTM using
> current_user_ns() in a kprobe is asking for trouble. It certainly
> allows any unprivilege user to show any uid it wants to the probe,
> which is probably not what the installer of the probe expects.
probe doesn't expect anything. it doesn't make any decisions.
bpf is read only. it's _visibility_ into the kernel.
It's not used for security.
When we start connecting eBPF to seccomp I would agree that uid
handling needs to be done carefully, but we're not there yet.
I don't want to kill _visibility_ because in some distant future
bpf becomes a decision making tool in security area and
get_current_uid() will return numbers that shouldn't be blindly
used to reject/accept a user requesting something. That's far away.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-12 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-12 21:40 [PATCH net-next 0/3] bpf: share helpers between tracing and networking Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1434145226-17892-1-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-12 21:40 ` [PATCH net-next 1/3] bpf: introduce current->pid, tgid, uid, gid, comm accessors Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1434145226-17892-2-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-12 22:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-12 22:44 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-12 22:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-12 23:23 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-12 23:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-12 23:38 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-12 23:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-12 23:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2015-06-13 0:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWYHkBtVr5D0zdrXswoH2gSXsxhtD23w6J7EP=HEwPt8A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-13 0:15 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-13 0:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWUuoZz2XOox5FJJPAfFdBakLnY1d7LLP5Uxq9tqgkpzg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-13 0:26 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-12 21:40 ` [PATCH net-next 2/3] bpf: allow networking programs to use bpf_trace_printk() for debugging Alexei Starovoitov
2015-06-12 21:40 ` [PATCH net-next 3/3] bpf: let kprobe programs use bpf_get_smp_processor_id() helper Alexei Starovoitov
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