From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Eric B Munson <emunson-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH V2 0/3] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:04:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55895956.5020707@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150615144356.GB12300-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
On 06/15/2015 04:43 PM, Eric B Munson wrote:
>> Note that the semantic of MAP_LOCKED can be subtly surprising:
>>
>> "mlock(2) fails if the memory range cannot get populated to guarantee
>> that no future major faults will happen on the range.
>> mmap(MAP_LOCKED) on the other hand silently succeeds even if the
>> range was populated only
>> partially."
>>
>> ( from http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=143152790412727&w=2 )
>>
>> So MAP_LOCKED can silently behave like MAP_LOCKONFAULT. While
>> MAP_LOCKONFAULT doesn't suffer from such problem, I wonder if that's
>> sufficient reason not to extend mmap by new mlock() flags that can
>> be instead applied to the VMA after mmapping, using the proposed
>> mlock2() with flags. So I think instead we could deprecate
>> MAP_LOCKED more prominently. I doubt the overhead of calling the
>> extra syscall matters here?
>
> We could talk about retiring the MAP_LOCKED flag but I suspect that
> would get significantly more pushback than adding a new mmap flag.
Oh no we can't "retire" as in remove the flag, ever. Just not continue
the way of mmap() flags related to mlock().
> Likely that the overhead does not matter in most cases, but presumably
> there are cases where it does (as we have a MAP_LOCKED flag today).
> Even with the proposed new system calls I think we should have the
> MAP_LOCKONFAULT for parity with MAP_LOCKED.
I'm not convinced, but it's not a major issue.
>>
>>> - mlock() takes a `flags' argument. Presently that's
>>> MLOCK_LOCKED|MLOCK_LOCKONFAULT.
>>>
>>> - munlock() takes a `flags' arument. MLOCK_LOCKED|MLOCK_LOCKONFAULT
>>> to specify which flags are being cleared.
>>>
>>> - mlockall() and munlockall() ditto.
>>>
>>>
>>> IOW, LOCKED and LOCKEDONFAULT are treated identically and independently.
>>>
>>> Now, that's how we would have designed all this on day one. And I
>>> think we can do this now, by adding new mlock2() and munlock2()
>>> syscalls. And we may as well deprecate the old mlock() and munlock(),
>>> not that this matters much.
>>>
>>> *should* we do this? I'm thinking "yes" - it's all pretty simple
>>> boilerplate and wrappers and such, and it gets the interface correct,
>>> and extensible.
>>
>> If the new LOCKONFAULT functionality is indeed desired (I haven't
>> still decided myself) then I agree that would be the cleanest way.
>
> Do you disagree with the use cases I have listed or do you think there
> is a better way of addressing those cases?
I'm somewhat sceptical about the security one. Are security sensitive
buffers that large to matter? The performance one is more convincing and
I don't see a better way, so OK.
>
>>
>>> What do others think?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-23 13:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-10 13:26 [RESEND PATCH V2 0/3] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault Eric B Munson
2015-06-10 13:26 ` [RESEND PATCH V2 1/3] Add mmap flag to request pages are locked after " Eric B Munson
2015-06-18 15:29 ` Michal Hocko
2015-06-18 20:30 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-19 14:57 ` Michal Hocko
2015-06-19 16:43 ` Eric B Munson
[not found] ` <20150619164333.GD2329-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-22 12:38 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20150622123826.GF4430-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-22 14:18 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-23 12:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
[not found] ` <558954DD.4060405-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-24 9:47 ` Michal Hocko
2015-06-24 8:50 ` Michal Hocko
2015-06-25 14:46 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-10 13:26 ` [RESEND PATCH V2 2/3] Add mlockall flag for locking pages on fault Eric B Munson
[not found] ` <1433942810-7852-1-git-send-email-emunson-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10 13:26 ` [RESEND PATCH V2 3/3] Add tests for lock " Eric B Munson
2015-06-10 21:59 ` [RESEND PATCH V2 0/3] Allow user to request memory to be locked on page fault Andrew Morton
2015-06-11 19:21 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-11 19:34 ` Andrew Morton
2015-06-11 19:55 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-12 12:05 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-06-15 14:43 ` Eric B Munson
[not found] ` <20150615144356.GB12300-JqFfY2XvxFXQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-23 13:04 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2015-06-25 14:16 ` Eric B Munson
2015-06-25 14:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-15 14:39 ` Eric B Munson
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