From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/11] membarrier: Provide core serializing command (v2)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:20:52 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <579395772.11661.1517253652787.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180129190923.GP2249-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
----- On Jan 29, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 06:36:05PM +0000, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Jan 29, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Peter Zijlstra peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
>> > Aaah, its the case where we do not pass through switch_mm(), the partial
>> > comment got to me. I only realized after reading the next patch.
>>
>> Indeed, if we read the entire comment, it's made clear that this case is for
>> when switch_mm is not invoked, where the current mm is changed without going
>> through switch_mm(), when scheduling between uthread->kthread->uthread for
>> instance.
>>
>> /*
>> * When transitioning from a kernel thread to a userspace
>> * thread, mmdrop()'s implicit full barrier is required by the
>> * membarrier system call, because the current active_mm can
>> * become the current mm without going through switch_mm().
>> * membarrier also requires a core serializing instruction
>> * before going back to user-space after storing to rq->curr.
>> */
>>
>> Is there something I should improve in the wording of this added
>> sentence to make it clearer ?
>
> Can be improved I think, its got two unqualified "membarrier"s in and
> its a bit mixed up. I'm having a major case of the mondays (brain just
> won't start today), but maybe something like:
>
> When we switched through a kernel thread, the loop in
> membarrier_{private,global}_expedited() can have observed that
> kernel thread and not issued an IPI. We will also not pass
> through switch_mm(). Membarrier requires a barrier after writing
> rq->curr and returning to userspace, so provide them here:
>
> - a full memory barrier for {PRIVATE,GLOBAL}_EXPEDITED
> - a sync_core for SYNC_CORE
Editing to remove use of "we" and clarify, which ends up as:
/*
* When switching through a kernel thread, the loop in
* membarrier_{private,global}_expedited() may have observed that
* kernel thread and not issued an IPI. It is therefore possible to
* schedule between user->kernel->user threads without passing though
* switch_mm(). Membarrier requires a barrier after storing to
* rq->curr, before returning to userspace, so provide them here:
*
* - a full memory barrier for {PRIVATE,GLOBAL}_EXPEDITED, implicitly
* provided by mmdrop(),
* - a sync_core for SYNC_CORE.
*/
>
> Also I think changing the changlog to state where we need core-sync
> would be good. Currently the x86 patch does that, but not this one,
> while this introduces the feature.
Planning to add this:
Architectures selecting this feature need to either document that
they issue core serializing instructions when returning to user-space,
or implement their architecture-specific sync_core_before_usermode().
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-29 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-23 15:57 [PATCH for 4.16 00/11] membarrier updates for 4.16 Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 01/11] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 03/11] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements (v5) Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20180123155733.3404-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 02/11] powerpc: membarrier: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() (v7) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 04/11] membarrier: provide GLOBAL_EXPEDITED command (v3) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 05/11] membarrier: selftest: Test global expedited cmd (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86: Implement sync_core_before_usermode (v3) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 09/11] membarrier: x86: Provide core serializing command (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 19:13 ` [PATCH for 4.16 00/11] membarrier updates for 4.16 Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 06/11] Introduce sync_core_before_usermode (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 08/11] membarrier: Provide core serializing command (v2) Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 18:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20180129180414.GO2249-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20180129181529.GG2295-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 18:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <485936677.11601.1517250965043.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 19:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20180129190923.GP2249-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 19:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 10/11] membarrier: arm64: Provide core serializing command Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-23 15:57 ` [PATCH 11/11] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited sync core cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 16:02 ` [PATCH for 4.16 00/11] membarrier updates for 4.16 Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-01-29 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFxdqXJidPLFb--pa8cmJnepzGpLRD=gNXgktkjNW+jJug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-05 16:33 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20180205163353.llyamby4o7ajsvt7-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-05 17:23 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFw9r1bLhPZ8bOApD7dBPTtFLBk+A71qLNF+XrEOL8+1oA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-05 18:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-05 18:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1659703322.16254.1517856780591.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-05 19:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-05 19:54 ` Linus Torvalds
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