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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, <pedro.falcato@gmail.com>,
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oliver Sang <oliver.sang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests: pidfd: add tests for PIDFD_SELF_*
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 19:14:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5b0b8e1e-6f50-4e18-bf46-39b00376c26e@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6133831-3fc3-49aa-83c6-f9aeef3713c9@lucifer.local>

On 10/16/24 3:06 PM, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 02:00:27PM -0600, Shuah Khan wrote:
>> On 10/16/24 04:20, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
...
>>> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h b/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>>> index 88d6830ee004..1640b711889b 100644
>>> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>>> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/pidfd/pidfd.h
>>> @@ -50,6 +50,14 @@
>>>    #define PIDFD_NONBLOCK O_NONBLOCK
>>>    #endif
>>> +/* System header file may not have this available. */
>>> +#ifndef PIDFD_SELF_THREAD
>>> +#define PIDFD_SELF_THREAD -100
>>> +#endif
>>> +#ifndef PIDFD_SELF_THREAD_GROUP
>>> +#define PIDFD_SELF_THREAD_GROUP -200
>>> +#endif
>>> +
>>
>> As mentioned in my response to v1 patch:
>>
>> kselftest has dependency on "make headers" and tests include
>> headers from linux/ directory
> 
> Right but that assumes you install the kernel headers on the build system,
> which is quite a painful thing to have to do when you are quickly iterating
> on a qemu setup.
> 
> This is a use case I use all the time so not at all theoretical.
> 

This is turning out to be a fairly typical reaction from kernel
developers, when presented with the "you must first run make headers"
requirement for kselftests.

Peter Zijlstra's "NAK NAK NAK" response [1] last year was the most
colorful, so I'll helpfully cite it here. :)

But seriously...user feedback is rare and valuable. We have some, to the
effect of, "lose that requirement". And we also have an agreement, and
an initial implementation in selftests/mm, on *how* to avoid it [2].

So...let's do it that way? Please?


[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231103121652.GA6217@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net/
[2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e076eaca5906

thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-17  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-16 10:20 [PATCH v3 0/3] introduce PIDFD_SELF* sentinels Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] pidfd: extend pidfd_get_pid() and de-duplicate pid lookup Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] pidfd: add PIDFD_SELF_* sentinels to refer to own thread/process Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] selftests: pidfd: add tests for PIDFD_SELF_* Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 20:00   ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-16 22:06     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 22:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-16 22:38       ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17  8:08         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 12:06           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 17:17             ` John Hubbard
2024-10-17 17:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 17:37                 ` John Hubbard
2024-10-17 17:38                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17 19:37                     ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17 19:40                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-10-17  2:14       ` John Hubbard [this message]
2024-10-17  7:54         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 11:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-01 12:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-05-01 19:50             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-05 13:35             ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06  9:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-06 21:18           ` Shuah Khan
2025-05-06 21:34             ` John Hubbard
2025-05-07 20:49               ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17  2:01     ` The "make headers" requirement, revisited: " John Hubbard
2024-10-17 16:33       ` Shuah Khan
2024-10-17 16:47         ` John Hubbard
2025-05-07 20:50           ` Shuah Khan
2025-05-08 14:04             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-08 15:06               ` Shuah Khan

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