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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: MPK: pkey_free and key reuse
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 08:59:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <633b5b03-3481-0da2-9d6c-f5298902e36a@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48ac42c0-4c31-cef8-a75a-8f3beab7cc66@redhat.com>

On 11/09/2017 06:48 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 11/08/2017 09:41 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>> (B) If a key is reused, existing threads retain their access rights,
>>> while there is an expectation that pkey_alloc denies access for the
>>> threads except the current one.
>> Where does this expectation come from?
> 
> For me, it was the access_rights argument to pkey_alloc.  What else
> would it do?  For the current thread, I can already set the rights with
> a PKRU write, so the existence of the syscall argument is puzzling.

The manpage is pretty bare here.  But the thought was that, in most
cases, you will want to allocate a key and start using it immediately.
This was in response to some feedback on one of the earlier reviews of
the patch set.

>> Using the malloc() analogy, we
>> don't expect that free() in one thread actively takes away references to
>> the memory held by other threads.
> 
> But malloc/free isn't expected to be a partial antidote to random
> pointer scribbling.

Nor is protection keys intended to be an antidote for use-after-free.

> I think we should either implement revoke on pkey_alloc, with a
> broadcast to all threads (the pkey_set race can be closed by having a
> vDSO for that an the revocation code can check %rip to see if the old
> PKRU value needs to be fixed up).  Or we add the two pkey_alloc flags I
> mentioned earlier.

That sounds awfully complicated to put in-kernel.  I'd be happy to
review the patches after you put them together once we see how it looks.

You basically want threads to broadcast their PKRU values at pkey_free()
time.  That's totally doable... in userspace.  You just need a mechanism
for each thread to periodically check if they need an update.  I don't
think we need kernel intervention and vDSO magic for that.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-09 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-05 10:35 MPK: pkey_free and key reuse Florian Weimer
2017-11-08 20:41 ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-09 14:48   ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-09 16:59     ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2017-11-23 12:48       ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-23 13:07         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-23 15:25         ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-24 14:55           ` Florian Weimer
     [not found] ` <0f006ef4-a7b5-c0cf-5f58-d0fd1f911a54-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22  8:18   ` MPK: removing a pkey (was: pkey_free and key reuse) Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-22 12:15     ` MPK: removing a pkey Florian Weimer
2017-11-22 12:46       ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]         ` <f0495f01-9821-ec36-56b4-333f109eb761-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 12:49           ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-22 16:10       ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-22 16:21         ` Florian Weimer
     [not found]           ` <9ec19ff3-86f6-7cfe-1a07-1ab1c5d9882c-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 16:32             ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-23  8:11               ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]                 ` <de93997a-7802-96cf-62e2-e59416e745ca-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 15:00                   ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-23 21:42                     ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]                       ` <2d12777f-615a-8101-2156-cf861ec13aa7-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 23:29                         ` Dave Hansen
2017-11-24  8:35                           ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-24  8:38                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-23 12:38               ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-23 15:09                 ` Dave Hansen

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