From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Dorjoy Chowdhury <dorjoychy111@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/4] openat2: new OPENAT2_REGULAR flag support
Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2026 07:40:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <801cf2c42b80d486726ea0a3774e52abcb158100.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXVBA9uGEUdQPEZ2MVdxjLwwcWi5kzhOr1NdOWSSRaROw@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, 2026-03-07 at 10:56 -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 6:09 AM Dorjoy Chowdhury <dorjoychy111@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This flag indicates the path should be opened if it's a regular file.
> > This is useful to write secure programs that want to avoid being
> > tricked into opening device nodes with special semantics while thinking
> > they operate on regular files. This is a requested feature from the
> > uapi-group[1].
> >
>
> I think this needs a lot more clarification as to what "regular"
> means. If it's literally
>
> > A corresponding error code EFTYPE has been introduced. For example, if
> > openat2 is called on path /dev/null with OPENAT2_REGULAR in the flag
> > param, it will return -EFTYPE. EFTYPE is already used in BSD systems
> > like FreeBSD, macOS.
>
> I think this needs more clarification as to what "regular" means,
> since S_IFREG may not be sufficient. The UAPI group page says:
>
> Use-Case: this would be very useful to write secure programs that want
> to avoid being tricked into opening device nodes with special
> semantics while thinking they operate on regular files. This is
> particularly relevant as many device nodes (or even FIFOs) come with
> blocking I/O (or even blocking open()!) by default, which is not
> expected from regular files backed by “fast” disk I/O. Consider
> implementation of a naive web browser which is pointed to
> file://dev/zero, not expecting an endless amount of data to read.
>
> What about procfs? What about sysfs? What about /proc/self/fd/17
> where that fd is a memfd? What about files backed by non-"fast" disk
> I/O like something on a flaky USB stick or a network mount or FUSE?
>
> Are we concerned about blocking open? (open blocks as a matter of
> course.) Are we concerned about open having strange side effects?
> Are we concerned about write having strange side effects? Are we
> concerned about cases where opening the file as root results in
> elevated privilege beyond merely gaining the ability to write to that
> specific path on an ordinary filesystem?
>
Above the use-case, it also says:
"O_REGULAR (inspired by the existing O_DIRECTORY flag for open()),
which opens a file only if it is of type S_IFREG."
Since we allow programs to open a directory under /proc or /sys using
O_DIRECTORY, I don't think we should do anything different here. To the
VFS, all of the examples you gave above are S_IFREG "regular files",
even if they are backed by something quite irregular.
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-08 11:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-03-07 14:06 [PATCH v5 0/4] OPENAT2_REGULAR flag support for openat2 Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-07 14:06 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] openat2: new OPENAT2_REGULAR flag support Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-07 18:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-03-08 6:31 ` Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-08 11:40 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2026-03-08 17:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-03-09 8:57 ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-09 16:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-03-09 17:39 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-10 11:24 ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-11 4:48 ` Aleksa Sarai
2026-03-11 16:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-03-12 9:37 ` Aleksa Sarai
2026-03-16 16:53 ` Jeff Layton
2026-03-16 17:22 ` Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-07 14:06 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] kselftest/openat2: test for OPENAT2_REGULAR flag Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-07 14:06 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] sparc/fcntl.h: convert O_* flag macros from hex to octal Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-07 14:06 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] mips/fcntl.h: " Dorjoy Chowdhury
2026-03-16 16:12 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] OPENAT2_REGULAR flag support for openat2 Dorjoy Chowdhury
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