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From: "Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	randy.dunlap@oracle.com, greg@kroah.com, adobriyan@gmail.com,
	remi.colinet@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND][PATCH] Add /proc/mempool to display mempool usage
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:07:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84144f020812011207q29fe4b3fq11a9e55f171cf743@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081201120210.1ed16bd5.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Andrew Morton
<akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:13:31 -0600
> Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 10:12 -0800, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:49:07 -0800 Greg KH wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:42:07AM +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 06:44:49PM +0100, Remi Colinet wrote:
>> > > > > This patch add a new /proc/mempool file in order to display mempool usage.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The feature can be disabled with CONFIG_PROC_MEMPOOL=N during kernel
>> > > > > configuration.
>> > > >
>> > > > We're NOT adding config option per proc file.
>> > > >
>> > > > And can we, please, freeze /proc for not per-process stuff and open debugfs
>> > > > for random stuff, please?
>> > >
>> > > debugfs has been open for random stuff since the day it was added to the
>> > > tree :)
>> > >
>> > > Feel free to put this kind of thing there instead of proc.
>> >
>> > Do distros ship with debugfs enabled?
>> > The problem with using debugfs is that it is very optional IMO.
>>
>> The problem with debugfs is that it claims to not be an ABI but it is
>> lying. Distributions ship tools that depend on portions of debugfs. And
>> they also ship debugfs in their kernel. So it is effectively the same
>> as /proc, except with the 1.0-era everything-goes attitude rather than
>> the 2.6-era we-should-really-think-about-this one.
>>
>> Pushing stuff from procfs to debugfs is thus just setting us up for pain
>> down the road. Don't do it. In five years, we'll discover we can't turn
>> debugfs off or even clean it up because too much relies on it.
>>
>> If you think that debugfs is NOT an ABI, then I'm sure you'll be happy
>> to ack my patch entitled 'gratuitously break usbmon to remind folks that
>> debugfs is not an ABI'.
>
> ^^ yup.

Hmm, I thought Documentation/ABI/ was supposed to tell us what's an
ABI you can depend on and what's not. I mean, you shouldn't be
depending on anything but the interfaces documented in
Documentation/ABI/stable/, no?

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-01 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1227980689.6354.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <1227980689.6354.24.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-29 21:42   ` [RESEND][PATCH] Add /proc/mempool to display mempool usage Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]     ` <20081129214207.GA6747-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-29 23:49       ` Greg KH
2008-12-01 18:12         ` Randy Dunlap
2008-12-01 19:13           ` Matt Mackall
2008-12-01 20:02             ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-01 20:07               ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2008-12-01 20:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                   ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812011210030.3256-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-01 20:23                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-12-01 22:02                     ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found]                       ` <84144f020812011402v3cb3ab24pf5cb6310f2d00c5b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-01 22:20                         ` Matt Mackall
2008-12-02  2:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0812011843340.3256-nfNrOhbfy2R17+2ddN/4kux8cNe9sq/dYPYVAmT7z5s@public.gmane.org>
2008-12-04 16:02                             ` Michael Kerrisk

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