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From: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton@gmail.com>
To: Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm/vmalloc: randomize vmalloc() allocations
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 10:01:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85515ea8-744e-acec-76ba-034b38d0f9fa@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210315174742.GA2038@pc638.lan>

On 15.3.2021 19.47, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 09:16:26AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 01:24:10PM +0100, Uladzislau Rezki wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:04:42AM +0200, Topi Miettinen wrote:
>>>> What's the problem with that? It seems to me that nothing relies on specific
>>>> addresses of the chunks, so it should be possible to randomize these too.
>>>> Also the alignment is honored.
>>>>
>>> My concern are:
>>>
>>> - it is not a vmalloc allocator;
>>> - per-cpu allocator allocates chunks, thus it might be it happens only once. It does not allocate it often;
>>
>> That's actually the reason to randomize it: if it always ends up in the
>> same place at every boot, it becomes a stable target for attackers.
>>
> Probably we can randomize a base address only once when pcpu-allocator
> allocates a fist chunk during the boot.
> 
>>> - changing it will likely introduce issues you are not aware of;
>>> - it is not supposed to be interacting with vmalloc allocator. Read the
>>>    comment under pcpu_get_vm_areas();
>>>
>>> Therefore i propose just not touch it.
>>
>> How about splitting it from this patch instead? Then it can get separate
>> testing, etc.
>>
> It should be split as well as tested.

Would you prefer another kernel option `randomize_percpu_allocator=1`, 
or would it be OK to make it a flag in `randomize_vmalloc`, like 
`randomize_vmalloc=3`? Maybe the latter would not be compatible with 
static branches.

-Topi

> 
> --
> Vlad Rezki
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-16  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-09 13:57 [PATCH v4] mm/vmalloc: randomize vmalloc() allocations Topi Miettinen
2021-03-14 17:23 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-15  9:04   ` Topi Miettinen
2021-03-15 12:24     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-15 16:16       ` Kees Cook
2021-03-15 17:47         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-16  8:01           ` Topi Miettinen [this message]
2021-03-16 11:34             ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-15 11:45   ` Topi Miettinen
2021-03-15 15:35     ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-15 16:23       ` Topi Miettinen
2021-03-15 18:02         ` Uladzislau Rezki
2021-03-16  7:01           ` Topi Miettinen

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