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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] prctl: add PR_{GET,SET}_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 13:28:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878t19o2h6.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e92ab3c06fe42fc9872261999623be19e2b0a294.camel@bitron.ch> ("Jürg Billeter"'s message of "Sat, 01 Dec 2018 10:39:28 +0000")

* Jürg Billeter:

> On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 14:40 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Jürg Billeter:
>> 
>> > This introduces a new thread group flag that can be set by calling
>> > 
>> >     prctl(PR_SET_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT, 1, 0, 0, 0)
>> > 
>> > When a thread group exits with this flag set, it will send SIGKILL to
>> > all descendant processes.  This can be used to prevent stray child
>> > processes.
>> > 
>> > This flag is cleared on privilege gaining execve(2) to ensure an
>> > unprivileged process cannot get a privileged process to send SIGKILL.
>> 
>> So this is inherited across regular execve?  I'm not sure that's a good
>> idea.
>
> Yes, this matches PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER (and other process
> attributes). Besides consistency and allowing a parent to configure the
> flag for a spawned process, this is also needed to prevent a process
> from clearing the flag (in combination with a seccomp filter).

I think the semantics of PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER are different, and the
behavior makes more sense there.

>> > Descendants that are orphaned and reparented to an ancestor of the
>> > current process before the current process exits, will not be killed.
>> > PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER can be used to contain orphaned processes.
>> 
>> For double- or triple-forking daemons, the reparenting will be racy, if
>> I understand things correctly.
>
> Can you please elaborate, if you're concerned about a particular race?
> As the commit message mentions, for containment this flag can be
> combined with PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER (and PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS).

Without PR_SET_CHILD_SUBREAPER, if a newly execve'ed daemon performs
double/triple forking to disentangle itself from the parent process
session, and the parent process which set
PR_SET_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT terminates, behavior depends on when
exactly the parent process terminates.  The daemon process will leak if
it has completed its reparenting.

I think this could be sufficiently common that solution is needed here.

Thanks,
Florian

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-01 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-27 22:54 [PATCH 0/1] Add prctl to kill descendants on exit Jürg Billeter
2018-11-27 22:54 ` [PATCH] prctl: add PR_{GET,SET}_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT Jürg Billeter
2018-11-28 14:42   ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-28 15:23     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-11-29 12:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-29 15:41         ` Jürg Billeter
2018-11-30 10:33           ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-12-01  4:28             ` Kees Cook
2018-11-30  8:00   ` [PATCH v2 0/1] Add prctl to kill descendants on exit Jürg Billeter
2018-11-30  8:00     ` [PATCH v2 1/1] prctl: add PR_{GET,SET}_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT Jürg Billeter
2018-11-30 11:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2018-11-30 13:40       ` Florian Weimer
2018-12-01 10:39         ` Jürg Billeter
2018-12-01 12:28           ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2018-12-01 13:57             ` Jürg Billeter
2018-12-06 15:54     ` [PATCH v2 0/1] Add prctl to kill descendants on exit Jürg Billeter
2019-01-18 13:11 ` [RESEND PATCH " Jürg Billeter
2019-01-18 13:11   ` [RESEND PATCH v2 1/1] prctl: add PR_{GET,SET}_KILL_DESCENDANTS_ON_EXIT Jürg Billeter
2019-01-29  1:23     ` Andrew Morton

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