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From: Aleksa Sarai <asarai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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	"Eric W. Biederman"
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Subject: Re: RFC(v2): Audit Kernel Container IDs
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:11:33 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8f495870-dd6c-23b9-b82b-4228a441c729@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171019195747.4ssujtaj3f5ipsoh-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>

>>> The registration is a pseudo filesystem (proc, since PID tree already
>>> exists) write of a u8[16] UUID representing the container ID to a file
>>> representing a process that will become the first process in a new
>>> container.  This write might place restrictions on mount namespaces
>>> required to define a container, or at least careful checking of
>>> namespaces in the kernel to verify permissions of the orchestrator so it
>>> can't change its own container ID.  A bind mount of nsfs may be
>>> necessary in the container orchestrator's mntNS.
>>> Note: Use a 128-bit scalar rather than a string to make compares faster
>>> and simpler.
>>>
>>> Require a new CAP_CONTAINER_ADMIN to be able to carry out the
>>> registration.
>>
>> Wouldn't CAP_AUDIT_WRITE be sufficient? After all, this is for auditing.
> 
> No, because then any process with that capability (vsftpd) could change
> its own container ID.  This is discussed more in other parts of the
> thread...

Not if we make the container ID append-only (to support nesting), or 
write-once (the other idea thrown around). In that case, you can't move 
"out" from a particular container ID, you can only go "deeper". These 
semantics don't make sense for generic containers, but since the point 
of this facility is *specifically* for audit I imagine that not being 
able to move a process from a sub-container's ID is a benefit.

-- 
Aleksa Sarai
Senior Software Engineer (Containers)
SUSE Linux GmbH
https://www.cyphar.com/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-19 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-12 14:14 RFC(v2): Audit Kernel Container IDs Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-12 15:45 ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-19 19:57   ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]     ` <20171019195747.4ssujtaj3f5ipsoh-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 23:11       ` Aleksa Sarai [this message]
2017-10-19 23:15         ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]         ` <8f495870-dd6c-23b9-b82b-4228a441c729-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-20  2:25           ` Steve Grubb
     [not found] ` <20171012141359.saqdtnodwmbz33b2-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 16:33   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17  0:33     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-17  1:10       ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]         ` <81c15928-c445-fb8e-251c-bee566fbbf58-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19  0:05           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]             ` <20171019000527.eio6dfsmujmtioyt-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 13:32               ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-19 15:51                 ` Paul Moore
     [not found]       ` <20171017003340.whjdkqmkw4lydwy7-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17  1:42         ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-17 12:31           ` Simo Sorce
2017-10-17 14:59             ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]               ` <a07968f6-fef1-f49d-01f1-6c660c0ada20-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 15:28                 ` Simo Sorce
     [not found]                   ` <1508254120.6230.34.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-17 15:44                     ` James Bottomley
2017-10-17 16:43                       ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-17 17:15                         ` Steve Grubb
2017-10-17 17:57                           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                             ` <1508263063.3129.35.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18  0:23                               ` Steve Grubb
     [not found]                       ` <1508255091.3129.27.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18 20:56                         ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                           ` <CAHC9VhRV9m6-APj3ofMQc22rL-WUoDzB8-urUxryszjCHHHLTg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18 23:46                             ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                               ` <49752b6f-8a77-d1e5-8acb-5a1eed0a992c-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19  0:43                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <871sm0j7bm.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 15:36                                     ` Paul Moore
     [not found]                                       ` <CAHC9VhTYF-MJm3ejWXE1H-eeXKaNBkeWKwdiKdj093xATYn7nQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-19 16:25                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-19 17:47                                           ` Paul Moore
2017-10-17 16:10                   ` Casey Schaufler
2017-10-18 19:58             ` Paul Moore
     [not found]     ` <75b7d6a6-42ba-2dff-1836-1091c7c024e7-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-09 10:20       ` Mickaël Salaün
     [not found]         ` <7ebca85a-425c-2b95-9a5f-59d81707339e-WFhQfpSGs3bR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-09 18:28           ` Casey Schaufler
2017-12-11 16:30             ` Eric Paris
2017-12-11 16:52               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]               ` <1513009857.6310.337.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-11 19:37                 ` Steve Grubb
2017-12-11 15:10           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-10-12 17:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-13 13:43   ` Alan Cox

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