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From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/18] xfs: atomic file updates
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:46:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez0Fa6NSmO2a5kuzp6GCAXAXQtBzEDO+YcBL4BW105tF+w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <158812825316.168506.932540609191384366.stgit@magnolia>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:46 AM Darrick J. Wong <darrick.wong@oracle.com> wrote:
> This series creates a new log incompat feature and log intent items to
> track high level progress of swapping ranges of two files and finish
> interrupted work if the system goes down.  It then adds a new
> FISWAPRANGE ioctl so that userspace can access the atomic extent
> swapping feature.  With this feature, user programs will be able to
> update files atomically by opening an O_TMPFILE, reflinking the source
> file to it, making whatever updates they want to make, and then
> atomically swap the changed bits back to the source file.  It even has
> an optional ability to detect a changed source file and reject the
> update.
>
> The intent behind this new userspace functionality is to enable atomic
> rewrites of arbitrary parts of individual files.  For years, application
> programmers wanting to ensure the atomicity of a file update had to
> write the changes to a new file in the same directory, fsync the new
> file, rename the new file on top of the old filename, and then fsync the
> directory.  People get it wrong all the time, and $fs hacks abound.
>
> With atomic file updates, this is no longer necessary.  Programmers
> create an O_TMPFILE, optionally FICLONE the file contents into the
> temporary file, make whatever changes they want to the tempfile, and
> FISWAPRANGE the contents from the tempfile into the regular file.

That also requires the *readers* to be atomic though, right? Since now
the updates are visible to readers instantly, instead of only on the
next open()? If you used this to update /etc/passwd while someone else
is in the middle of reading it with a sequence of read() calls, there
would be fireworks...

I guess maybe the new API could also be wired up to ext4's
EXT4_IOC_MOVE_EXT somehow, provided that the caller specifies
FILE_SWAP_RANGE_NONATOMIC?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-01 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-29  2:44 [PATCH RFC 00/18] xfs: atomic file updates Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 01/18] xfs: clean up the error handling in xfs_swap_extent_rmap Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 02/18] xfs: fix xfs_reflink_remap_prep calling conventions Darrick J. Wong
2020-05-01 22:54   ` Allison Collins
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 03/18] vfs: introduce new file extent swap ioctl Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 04/18] xfs: support deferred bmap updates on the attr fork Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 05/18] xfs: xfs_bmap_finish_one should map unwritten extents properly Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:44 ` [PATCH 06/18] xfs: create a log incompat flag for atomic extent swapping Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 07/18] xfs: allow deferred ops items to put themselves at the end of the pending queue Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 08/18] xfs: introduce a swap-extent log intent item Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 09/18] xfs: create deferred log items for extent swapping Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 10/18] xfs: refactor locking and unlocking two inodes against userspace IO Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 11/18] xfs: add a ->swap_file_range handler Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 12/18] xfs: add error injection to test swapext recovery Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 13/18] xfs: allow xfs_swap_range to use older extent swap algorithms Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 14/18] xfs: port xfs_swap_extents_rmap to our new code Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 15/18] xfs: consolidate all of the xfs_swap_extent_forks code Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:45 ` [PATCH 16/18] xfs: refactor reflink flag handling in xfs_swap_extent_forks Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:46 ` [PATCH 17/18] xfs: remove old swap extents implementation Darrick J. Wong
2020-04-29  2:46 ` [PATCH 18/18] xfs: fix quota accounting in the old fork swap code Darrick J. Wong
2020-05-01 19:46 ` Jann Horn [this message]
2020-05-01 20:11   ` [PATCH RFC 00/18] xfs: atomic file updates Darrick J. Wong

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