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From: Eyal Birger <eyal.birger@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>,  Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	luto@amacapital.net, wad@chromium.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	 ldv@strace.io, mhiramat@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org,
	 alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com, cyphar@cyphar.com,
	songliubraving@fb.com,  yhs@fb.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com,
	peterz@infradead.org,  tglx@linutronix.de, bp@alien8.de,
	daniel@iogearbox.net, ast@kernel.org,  rafi@rbk.io,
	shmulik.ladkani@gmail.com, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] seccomp: passthrough uretprobe systemcall without filtering
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 15:13:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHsH6GvcOjNh8VMpPs9CzyVSCOB+92zRj_3ZeDOd6APySWdm5Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250121174620.06a0c811@gandalf.local.home>

On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:46 PM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 14:38:09 -0800
> Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You said yourself that sys_uretprobe is no different from rt_sigreturn
> > and restart_syscall, so why would we rollback sys_uretprobe if we
> > wouldn't rollback rt_sigreturn/restart_syscall? Given it's impossible,
> > generally speaking, to know if userspace is blocking the syscall (and
> > that can change dynamically and very frequently), any improvement or
> > optimization that kernel would do with the help of special syscall is
> > now prohibited, effectively. That doesn't seem wise to restrict the
> > kernel development so much just because libseccomp blocks any unknown
> > syscall by default.
>
> What happens if the system call is hit when there was no uprobe attached to
> it? Perhaps it should segfault? That is, this system call is only used when
> the kernel attaches it, if the kernel did not attach it, perhaps there's
> some malicious code that is trying to use it for some CVE corner case. But
> if it always crashes when added, the only thing the malicious code can do
> by adding this system call is to crash the application. That shouldn't be a
> problem, as if malicious code can add a system call, it can also change the
> code to crash as well.
>
> Perhaps the security folks would feel better if there were other
> protections against this system call when not used as expected?

Isn't that the case already, or maybe I misunderstood what Jiri wrote [1]:

> On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 2:44 AM Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com> wrote:
> that's correct, uretprobe syscall is installed by kernel to special user
> memory map and it can be executed only from there and if process calls it
> from another place it receives sigill

Eyal.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Z4zXlaEMPbiYYlQ8@krava/

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-21 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-17  0:55 [PATCH] seccomp: passthrough uretprobe systemcall without filtering Eyal Birger
2025-01-17  1:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17  8:02   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-01-17 13:36     ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-17 14:09     ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17 17:51       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-17 19:24         ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-17 19:34           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-18 15:05         ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-17 18:34 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2025-01-17 18:52   ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-18 20:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-18 20:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-18 20:45   ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-19  2:24     ` Kees Cook
2025-01-19  3:39       ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-19 10:44         ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-20 21:34         ` Kees Cook
2025-01-27 19:24           ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-27 19:33             ` Kees Cook
2025-01-27 19:39               ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-27 19:43                 ` Kees Cook
2025-01-21 14:38         ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-21 14:47           ` Eyal Birger
2025-01-21 16:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-21 16:44             ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-21 16:55             ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-21 22:38               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-01-21 22:46                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-21 23:13                   ` Eyal Birger [this message]
2025-01-21 23:29                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-19 18:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2025-01-19 12:40   ` Oleg Nesterov
2025-01-20 21:32     ` Kees Cook
2025-01-21 15:28       ` Oleg Nesterov

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