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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
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	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: prevent a race between process_mrelease and exit_mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:59:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGgi49C6fT7D8yV7evmzFVqZS2qvSQRHZkvNruc43ZmFQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpGC9-c9P40x7oy=jy5SphMcd0o0G_6U1-+JAziGKG6dGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:44 AM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:37 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri 29-10-21 09:07:39, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:03 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > Well, I still do not see why that is a problem. This syscall is meant to
> > > > release the address space not to do it fast.
> > >
> > > It's the same problem for a userspace memory reaper as for the
> > > oom-reaper. The goal is to release the memory of the victim and to
> > > quickly move on to the next one if needed.
> >
> > The purpose of the oom_reaper is to _guarantee_ a forward progress. It
> > doesn't have to be quick or optimized for speed.
>
> Fair enough. Then the same guarantees should apply to userspace memory
> reapers. I think you clarified that well in your replies in
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725154514.GN26723@dhcp22.suse.cz:
>
> Because there is no _guarantee_ that the final __mmput will release
> the memory in finite time. And we cannot guarantee that longterm.
> ...
> __mmput calls into exit_aio and that can wait for completion and there
> is no way to guarantee this will finish in finite time.
>
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Btw. the above code will not really tell you much on a larger machine
> > > > unless you manage to trigger mmap_sem contection. Otherwise you are
> > > > measuring the mmap_sem writelock fast path and that should be really
> > > > within a noise comparing to the whole address space destruction time. If
> > > > that is not the case then we have a real problem with the locking...
> > >
> > > My understanding of that discussion is that the concern was that even
> > > taking uncontended mmap_sem writelock would regress the exit path.
> > > That was what I wanted to confirm. Am I misreading it?
> >
> > No, your reading match my recollection. I just think that code
> > robustness in exchange of a rw semaphore write lock fast path is a
> > reasonable price to pay even if that has some effect on micro
> > benchmarks.
>
> I'm with you on this one, that's why I wanted to measure the price we
> would pay. Below are the test results:
>
> Test: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725142626.GJ26723@dhcp22.suse.cz/
> Compiled: gcc -O2 -static test.c -o test
> Test machine: 128 core / 256 thread 2x AMD EPYC 7B12 64-Core Processor
> (family 17h)
>
> baseline (Linus master, f31531e55495ca3746fb895ffdf73586be8259fa)
> p50 (median)   87412
> p95                  168210
> p99                  190058
> average           97843.8
> stdev               29.85%
>
> unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap (last column is the change
> from the baseline)
> p50 (median)   88312     +1.03%
> p95                  170797   +1.54%
> p99                  191813   +0.92%
> average           97659.5  -0.19%
> stdev               32.41%
>
> unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap + Matthew's patch (last
> column is the change from the baseline)
> p50 (median)   88807      +1.60%
> p95                  167783     -0.25%
> p99                  187853     -1.16%
> average           97491.4    -0.36%
> stdev               30.61%
>
> stdev is quite high in all cases, so the test is very noisy.

Need to clarify that what I called here "stdev" is actually stdev /
average in %.

> The impact seems quite low IMHO. WDYT?
>
> > --
> > Michal Hocko
> > SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-01 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-22  1:46 [PATCH 1/1] mm: prevent a race between process_mrelease and exit_mmap Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22  2:24 ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-22  5:23   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22  8:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 11:32   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-22 12:04     ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 17:38   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 16:08     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:33       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 17:42         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:51           ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 18:00             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-29 13:03       ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-29 16:07         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-01  8:37           ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-01 15:44             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-01 19:59               ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2021-11-02  7:58               ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 15:14                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:01                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:26                     ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 19:37                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:50                         ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 20:02                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 20:10                             ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 21:10                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11  1:49                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11  9:20                                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-11 15:02                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-12  8:58                                       ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-12 16:00                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:41                       ` Michal Hocko

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