From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Christian Brauner <christian.brauner@ubuntu.com>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@inai.de>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: prevent a race between process_mrelease and exit_mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:59:53 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGgi49C6fT7D8yV7evmzFVqZS2qvSQRHZkvNruc43ZmFQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpGC9-c9P40x7oy=jy5SphMcd0o0G_6U1-+JAziGKG6dGA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:44 AM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:37 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri 29-10-21 09:07:39, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:03 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > Well, I still do not see why that is a problem. This syscall is meant to
> > > > release the address space not to do it fast.
> > >
> > > It's the same problem for a userspace memory reaper as for the
> > > oom-reaper. The goal is to release the memory of the victim and to
> > > quickly move on to the next one if needed.
> >
> > The purpose of the oom_reaper is to _guarantee_ a forward progress. It
> > doesn't have to be quick or optimized for speed.
>
> Fair enough. Then the same guarantees should apply to userspace memory
> reapers. I think you clarified that well in your replies in
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725154514.GN26723@dhcp22.suse.cz:
>
> Because there is no _guarantee_ that the final __mmput will release
> the memory in finite time. And we cannot guarantee that longterm.
> ...
> __mmput calls into exit_aio and that can wait for completion and there
> is no way to guarantee this will finish in finite time.
>
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Btw. the above code will not really tell you much on a larger machine
> > > > unless you manage to trigger mmap_sem contection. Otherwise you are
> > > > measuring the mmap_sem writelock fast path and that should be really
> > > > within a noise comparing to the whole address space destruction time. If
> > > > that is not the case then we have a real problem with the locking...
> > >
> > > My understanding of that discussion is that the concern was that even
> > > taking uncontended mmap_sem writelock would regress the exit path.
> > > That was what I wanted to confirm. Am I misreading it?
> >
> > No, your reading match my recollection. I just think that code
> > robustness in exchange of a rw semaphore write lock fast path is a
> > reasonable price to pay even if that has some effect on micro
> > benchmarks.
>
> I'm with you on this one, that's why I wanted to measure the price we
> would pay. Below are the test results:
>
> Test: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725142626.GJ26723@dhcp22.suse.cz/
> Compiled: gcc -O2 -static test.c -o test
> Test machine: 128 core / 256 thread 2x AMD EPYC 7B12 64-Core Processor
> (family 17h)
>
> baseline (Linus master, f31531e55495ca3746fb895ffdf73586be8259fa)
> p50 (median) 87412
> p95 168210
> p99 190058
> average 97843.8
> stdev 29.85%
>
> unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap (last column is the change
> from the baseline)
> p50 (median) 88312 +1.03%
> p95 170797 +1.54%
> p99 191813 +0.92%
> average 97659.5 -0.19%
> stdev 32.41%
>
> unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap + Matthew's patch (last
> column is the change from the baseline)
> p50 (median) 88807 +1.60%
> p95 167783 -0.25%
> p99 187853 -1.16%
> average 97491.4 -0.36%
> stdev 30.61%
>
> stdev is quite high in all cases, so the test is very noisy.
Need to clarify that what I called here "stdev" is actually stdev /
average in %.
> The impact seems quite low IMHO. WDYT?
>
> > --
> > Michal Hocko
> > SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-01 20:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-22 1:46 [PATCH 1/1] mm: prevent a race between process_mrelease and exit_mmap Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22 2:24 ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-22 5:23 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22 8:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 11:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-22 12:04 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 17:38 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 16:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 17:42 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 18:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-29 13:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-29 16:07 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-01 8:37 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-01 15:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-01 19:59 ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2021-11-02 7:58 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 15:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:26 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 19:37 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:50 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 20:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 20:10 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 21:10 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11 1:49 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11 9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-11 15:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-12 8:58 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-12 16:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:41 ` Michal Hocko
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=CAJuCfpGgi49C6fT7D8yV7evmzFVqZS2qvSQRHZkvNruc43ZmFQ@mail.gmail.com \
--to=surenb@google.com \
--cc=aarcange@redhat.com \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=christian.brauner@ubuntu.com \
--cc=christian@brauner.io \
--cc=david@redhat.com \
--cc=fweimer@redhat.com \
--cc=guro@fb.com \
--cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
--cc=hch@infradead.org \
--cc=jannh@google.com \
--cc=jengelh@inai.de \
--cc=kernel-team@android.com \
--cc=kirill@shutemov.name \
--cc=linux-api@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=luto@kernel.org \
--cc=mhocko@suse.com \
--cc=minchan@kernel.org \
--cc=oleg@redhat.com \
--cc=riel@surriel.com \
--cc=rientjes@google.com \
--cc=shakeelb@google.com \
--cc=willy@infradead.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).