From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 2/5] security: Add new SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT securebits
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 10:06:28 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWpk5Es9GPoAdDD=m_vgSePm=cA16zCor_aJV0EPXBw1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240704190137.696169-3-mic@digikod.net>
On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 3:02 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>
> These new SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK, SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT, and
> their *_LOCKED counterparts are designed to be set by processes setting
> up an execution environment, such as a user session, a container, or a
> security sandbox. Like seccomp filters or Landlock domains, the
> securebits are inherited across proceses.
>
> When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK is set, programs interpreting code should
> check executable resources with execveat(2) + AT_CHECK (see previous
> patch).
>
> When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set, a process should only allow
> execution of approved resources, if any (see SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK).
I read this twice, slept on it, read them again, and I *still* can't
understand it. See below...
> The only restriction enforced by the kernel is the right to ptrace
> another process. Processes are denied to ptrace less restricted ones,
> unless the tracer has CAP_SYS_PTRACE. This is mainly a safeguard to
> avoid trivial privilege escalations e.g., by a debugging process being
> abused with a confused deputy attack.
What's the actual issue? And why can't I, as root, do, in a carefully
checked, CHECK'd and RESTRICT'd environment, # gdb -p <pid>? Adding
weird restrictions to ptrace can substantially *weaken* security
because it forces people to do utterly daft things to work around the
restrictions.
...
> +/*
> + * When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK is set, a process should check all executable
> + * files with execveat(2) + AT_CHECK. However, such check should only be
> + * performed if all to-be-executed code only comes from regular files. For
> + * instance, if a script interpreter is called with both a script snipped as
s/snipped/snippet/
> + * argument and a regular file, the interpreter should not check any file.
> + * Doing otherwise would mislead the kernel to think that only the script file
> + * is being executed, which could for instance lead to unexpected permission
> + * change and break current use cases.
This is IMO not nearly clear enough to result in multiple user
implementations and a kernel implementation and multiple LSM
implementations and LSM policy authors actually agreeing as to what
this means.
I also think it's wrong to give user code instructions about what
kernel checks it should do. Have the user code call the kernel and
have the kernel implement the policy.
> +/*
> + * When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set, a process should only allow
> + * execution of approved files, if any (see SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK). For
> + * instance, script interpreters called with a script snippet as argument
> + * should always deny such execution if SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set.
> + * However, if a script interpreter is called with both
> + * SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT, they should
> + * interpret the provided script files if no unchecked code is also provided
> + * (e.g. directly as argument).
I think you're trying to say that this is like (the inverse of)
Content-Security-Policy: unsafe-inline. In other words, you're saying
that, if RESTRICT is set, then programs should not execute code-like
text that didn't come from a file. Is that right?
I feel like it would be worth looking at the state of the art of
Content-Security-Policy and all the lessons people have learned from
it. Whatever the result is should be at least as comprehensible and
at least as carefully engineered as Content-Security-Policy.
--Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-20 2:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-04 19:01 [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 0:04 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:53 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:38 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 18:03 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-06 14:55 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 15:32 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 8:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:37 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:34 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC Eric W. Biederman
2024-07-08 17:59 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-10 10:05 ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 16:25 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 16:40 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:05 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 17:33 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:52 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 9:18 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 10:05 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 18:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:41 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 8:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-07 9:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17 6:33 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17 8:26 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-17 10:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 1:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-18 12:22 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-20 1:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-20 11:43 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-23 13:16 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-23 13:16 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 1:51 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:23 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 22:54 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17 10:01 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 2:08 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:24 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 13:03 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-18 15:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 1:29 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 8:44 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 14:16 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:04 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 15:27 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-05 18:35 ` Jeff Xu
2024-08-09 8:45 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-09 16:15 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:12 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 17:36 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:46 ` enh
2024-07-18 15:35 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 2/5] security: Add new SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 0:18 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:54 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 21:44 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 22:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 17:28 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:16 ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-18 16:20 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:17 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:53 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 18:48 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 21:15 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 21:25 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-08 22:07 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 21:57 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10 9:58 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-10 16:26 ` Kees Cook
2024-07-11 8:57 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:02 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-16 15:10 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-16 15:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:18 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10 16:32 ` Steve Dower
2024-07-20 2:06 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2024-07-23 13:15 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 3/5] selftests/exec: Add tests for AT_CHECK and related securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 4/5] selftests/landlock: Add tests for execveat + AT_CHECK Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 5/5] samples/should-exec: Add set-should-exec Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:40 ` Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:42 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 20:35 ` [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:43 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:57 ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-16 16:12 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-16 17:31 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 16:21 ` Mickaël Salaün
[not found] ` <E608EDB8-72E8-4791-AC9B-8FF9AC753FBE@sempervictus.com>
2024-07-16 17:47 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17 17:59 ` Boris Lukashev
2024-07-18 13:00 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-15 20:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-07-16 7:13 ` Mickaël Salaün
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