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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 2/5] security: Add new SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT securebits
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 10:06:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWpk5Es9GPoAdDD=m_vgSePm=cA16zCor_aJV0EPXBw1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240704190137.696169-3-mic@digikod.net>

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 3:02 AM Mickaël Salaün <mic@digikod.net> wrote:
>
> These new SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK, SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT, and
> their *_LOCKED counterparts are designed to be set by processes setting
> up an execution environment, such as a user session, a container, or a
> security sandbox.  Like seccomp filters or Landlock domains, the
> securebits are inherited across proceses.
>
> When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK is set, programs interpreting code should
> check executable resources with execveat(2) + AT_CHECK (see previous
> patch).
>
> When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set, a process should only allow
> execution of approved resources, if any (see SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK).

I read this twice, slept on it, read them again, and I *still* can't
understand it.  See below...

> The only restriction enforced by the kernel is the right to ptrace
> another process.  Processes are denied to ptrace less restricted ones,
> unless the tracer has CAP_SYS_PTRACE.  This is mainly a safeguard to
> avoid trivial privilege escalations e.g., by a debugging process being
> abused with a confused deputy attack.

What's the actual issue?  And why can't I, as root, do, in a carefully
checked, CHECK'd and RESTRICT'd environment, # gdb -p <pid>?  Adding
weird restrictions to ptrace can substantially *weaken* security
because it forces people to do utterly daft things to work around the
restrictions.

...

> +/*
> + * When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK is set, a process should check all executable
> + * files with execveat(2) + AT_CHECK.  However, such check should only be
> + * performed if all to-be-executed code only comes from regular files.  For
> + * instance, if a script interpreter is called with both a script snipped as

s/snipped/snippet/

> + * argument and a regular file, the interpreter should not check any file.
> + * Doing otherwise would mislead the kernel to think that only the script file
> + * is being executed, which could for instance lead to unexpected permission
> + * change and break current use cases.

This is IMO not nearly clear enough to result in multiple user
implementations and a kernel implementation and multiple LSM
implementations and LSM policy authors actually agreeing as to what
this means.

I also think it's wrong to give user code instructions about what
kernel checks it should do.  Have the user code call the kernel and
have the kernel implement the policy.

> +/*
> + * When SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set, a process should only allow
> + * execution of approved files, if any (see SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK).  For
> + * instance, script interpreters called with a script snippet as argument
> + * should always deny such execution if SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT is set.
> + * However, if a script interpreter is called with both
> + * SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SECBIT_SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT, they should
> + * interpret the provided script files if no unchecked code is also provided
> + * (e.g. directly as argument).

I think you're trying to say that this is like (the inverse of)
Content-Security-Policy: unsafe-inline.  In other words, you're saying
that, if RESTRICT is set, then programs should not execute code-like
text that didn't come from a file.  Is that right?

I feel like it would be worth looking at the state of the art of
Content-Security-Policy and all the lessons people have learned from
it.  Whatever the result is should be at least as comprehensible and
at least as carefully engineered as Content-Security-Policy.

--Andy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-20  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-04 19:01 [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05  0:04   ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:53     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:38       ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 18:03   ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-06 14:55     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 15:32       ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08  8:56         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:37           ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:34             ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC Eric W. Biederman
2024-07-08 17:59               ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-10 10:05             ` [PATCH] binfmt_elf: Fail execution of shared objects with ELIBEXEC (was: Re: [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2)) Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:08     ` [RFC PATCH v19 1/5] exec: Add a new AT_CHECK flag to execveat(2) Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 16:25       ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 16:40         ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:05           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 17:33           ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-08 17:52             ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09  9:18               ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 10:05                 ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-09 20:42                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 18:57                 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:41                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06  8:52   ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-07  9:01     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17  6:33   ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17  8:26     ` Steve Dower
2024-07-17 10:00       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18  1:02         ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-18 12:22           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-20  1:59             ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-07-20 11:43               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-23 13:16                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-23 13:16               ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18  1:51         ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:23           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 22:54             ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-17 10:01     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18  2:08       ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-18 12:24         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 13:03           ` James Bottomley
2024-07-18 15:35             ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19  1:29           ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19  8:44             ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 14:16               ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:04                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 15:27                   ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-23 13:15                     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-05 18:35                       ` Jeff Xu
2024-08-09  8:45                         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-08-09 16:15                           ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:12           ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-19 15:31             ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-19 17:36               ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-23 13:15                 ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:46         ` enh
2024-07-18 15:35           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 2/5] security: Add new SHOULD_EXEC_CHECK and SHOULD_EXEC_RESTRICT securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05  0:18   ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 17:54     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-05 21:44       ` Kees Cook
2024-07-05 22:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-06 17:28             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-07-06 14:56         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 14:16           ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-18 16:20             ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 16:17   ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 17:53     ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 18:48       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 21:15         ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-08 21:25           ` Steve Dower
2024-07-08 22:07             ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-09 20:42               ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-09 21:57                 ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10  9:58                   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-10 16:26                     ` Kees Cook
2024-07-11  8:57                       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:02                         ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-16 15:10                           ` Steve Dower
2024-07-16 15:15                           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:18                             ` Jeff Xu
2024-07-10 16:32                     ` Steve Dower
2024-07-20  2:06   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2024-07-23 13:15     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 3/5] selftests/exec: Add tests for AT_CHECK and related securebits Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 4/5] selftests/landlock: Add tests for execveat + AT_CHECK Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-04 19:01 ` [RFC PATCH v19 5/5] samples/should-exec: Add set-should-exec Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 19:40   ` Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:42     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-08 20:35 ` [RFC PATCH v19 0/5] Script execution control (was O_MAYEXEC) Mimi Zohar
2024-07-09 20:43   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-16 15:57     ` Roberto Sassu
2024-07-16 16:12       ` James Bottomley
2024-07-16 17:31         ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-18 16:21           ` Mickaël Salaün
     [not found]         ` <E608EDB8-72E8-4791-AC9B-8FF9AC753FBE@sempervictus.com>
2024-07-16 17:47           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-17 17:59             ` Boris Lukashev
2024-07-18 13:00               ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-07-15 20:16 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-07-16  7:13   ` Mickaël Salaün

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