From: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 12:58:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXGO+ejHAfic4fozf1y48WDBdk3Mo=dFt8MMxtN1HOuUg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150226205512.GA19273-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:51:57PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 02:13:00PM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Andrew Morgan was against that. What if we changed
>> >> >
>> >> > pE' = pP' & (fE | pA)
>> >> >
>> >> > to
>> >> >
>> >> > if (pA)
>> >> > pE' = pP' & fE
>> >> > else
>> >> > pE' = pP'
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Same problem as before. The ambient bits will not be set in pE'.
>> >
>> > And what if I weren't scatterbrained and we did
>> >
>> > if (pA)
>> > pE' = pP'
>> > else
>> > pE' = pP' & fE
>> >
>> > All pP' bits would be set in pE'.
>>
>> That seems reasonable to me, except for my paranoia:
>>
>> What if there's a program with CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE in fP and fE set to
>> the empty set (i.e. the magic effective bit cleared), and the program
>> relies on that. A malicious user has CAP_NET_BIND and sets pA =
>> CAP_NET_BIND. Boom!
>>
>> If we changed that to if (pA') and zeroed pA if fP is non-empty then
>> this problem goes away.
>
> Hm, the problem is that then the empty pA is inherited by children.
> I do see that any program with fP set should probably run with only
> what it requested. Would
>
> if (pA && is_empty(fP))
> pE' = pP'
> else
> pE' = pP' & fE
>
> help? Or are you worried about a program with fP set which then
> executes other programs?
The particular worry I expressed there was just about pE.
I'm still extremely nervous about allowing nonempty pA to propagate to
setuid or nonzero fP programs. It's less obviously dangerous if pA is
never a superset of pP, but it could still cause problems with setuid
programs that execute intentionally deprivileged helpers.
--Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-26 20:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-05 21:56 [PATCH] capabilities: Ambient capability set V1 Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502051554500.4876-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 14:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWJCcBBGGp21C4cdtiU79K-P3t+6rFJUWcXcLR1jqrrFQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 15:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 15:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-23 16:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 23:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-24 15:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:16 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrW78805ayUL=ZYBdFwVdDvJZus2JL0VVmEBE8=L1Nm5Sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 16:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:44 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 16:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-23 16:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-23 18:15 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-23 18:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 5:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150224051928.GA14755-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 15:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-24 15:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-24 16:44 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-24 17:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-25 3:32 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-25 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 15:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226153524.GC15182-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 18:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 19:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 19:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWpKiurZEEOT25i_xrtQyk5dht+wjUO4+tGs+N_7JCdYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:33 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226193200.GA17709-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 20:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 20:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-26 20:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20150226205512.GA19273-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 20:58 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-02-26 21:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:29 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:09 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502261507450.8274-gkYfJU5Cukgdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-26 21:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 21:32 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-26 21:37 ` Christoph Lameter
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