From: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers
<mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney"
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Boqun Feng <boqun.feng-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Watson <davejwatson-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel
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Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>,
Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 for 4.15 08/24] Provide cpu_opv system call
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:09:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrXMpvVtNRbfgUBs5cfS7ukEkD5-a3f0tKxSWPE4HO25Pg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1711172025320.2186@nanos>
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> > The most straight forward is to have a mechanism which forces everything
>> > into the slow path in case of debugging, lack of progress, etc. The slow
>>
>> That's the abort address, right?
>
> Yes.
>
>> For the generic case the fall back path would require disabling preemption
>> unfortunately, for which we don't have a mechanism in user space.
>>
>> I think that is what Mathieu tried to implement here with this call.
>
> Yes. preempt disabled execution of byte code to make sure that the
> transaction succeeds.
>
> But, why is disabling preemption mandatory? If stuff fails due to hitting a
> breakpoint or because it retried a gazillion times without progress, then
> the abort code can detect that and act accordingly. Pseudo code:
>
> abort:
> if (!slowpath_required() &&
> !breakpoint_caused_abort() &&
> !stall_detected()) {
> do_the_normal_abort_postprocessing();
> goto retry;
> }
>
> lock(slowpath_lock[cpu]);
>
> if (!slowpath_required()) {
> unlock(slowpath_lock[cpu]);
> goto retry;
> }
>
> if (rseq_supported)
> set_slow_path();
>
> /* Same code as inside the actual rseq */
> do_transaction();
>
> if (rseq_supported)
> unset_slow_path();
>
> unlock(slowpath_lock[cpu]);
My objection to this approach is that people will get it wrong and not
notice until it's too late. TSX has two things going for it:
1. It's part of the ISA, so debuggers have very well-defined semantics
to deal with and debuggers will know about it. rseq is a made-up
Linux thing and debuggers may not know what to do with it.
2. TSX is slow and crappy, so it may not be that widely used. glibc,
OTOH, will probably start using rseq on all machines if the patches
are merged.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-18 21:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-14 20:03 [RFC PATCH for 4.15 00/24] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector v11 Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 03/24] Restartable sequences: wire up ARM 32 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 07/24] Restartable sequences: Wire up powerpc " Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH v11 for 4.15 01/24] Restartable sequences " Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <CY4PR15MB168884529B3C0F8E6CC06257CF280@CY4PR15MB1688.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
[not found] ` <CY4PR15MB168884529B3C0F8E6CC06257CF280-ZVJ2su15u+xeX4ZvlgGe+Yd3EbNNOtPMvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 20:49 ` Ben Maurer
[not found] ` <CY4PR15MB1688CE0F2139CEB72B467242CF280-ZVJ2su15u+xeX4ZvlgGe+Yd3EbNNOtPMvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 21:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-16 19:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20171116191448.rmds347hwsyibipm-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 20:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1083699948.16848.1510864678185.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 20:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-2-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 20:39 ` Ben Maurer
[not found] ` <CY4PR15MB168866BFDCFECF81B7EF4CF1CF280-ZVJ2su15u+xeX4ZvlgGe+Yd3EbNNOtPMvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 20:52 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <574606484.15158.1510692743725.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 21:48 ` Ben Maurer
2017-11-16 16:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20171116161815.dg4hi2z35rkh4u4s-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 16:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <438349693.16595.1510849627973.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20171116163218.fg4u4bbzfrbxatvz-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 17:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-16 18:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20171116184305.snpudnjdhua2obby-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 18:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1523632942.16739.1510858189882.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 19:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-16 20:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-16 21:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-19 17:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 02/24] Restartable sequences: ARM 32 architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 04/24] Restartable sequences: x86 32/64 " Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-5-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 21:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-19 17:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1390396579.17843.1511113291117.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 8:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 05/24] Restartable sequences: wire up x86 32/64 system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 06/24] Restartable sequences: powerpc architecture support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH v3 for 4.15 08/24] Provide cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-9-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15 1:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-15 7:44 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
[not found] ` <CAKgNAkjrh_OMi+7EUJxqM0-84WUxL0d_vse4neOL93EB-sGKXw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15 14:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-16 23:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-17 0:14 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171117001410.GG2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 10:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-17 17:14 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1756446476.17265.1510938872121.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 18:18 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171117181839.GH2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 18:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-17 19:15 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171117191547.GI2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 20:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-18 21:09 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2017-11-17 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-20 17:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-20 16:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1766414702.18278.1511194398489.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 17:48 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-20 18:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-20 18:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-20 18:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <204285712.18480.1511203151076.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 18:49 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171120184927.GK2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 22:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-20 19:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-21 11:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:03 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 09/24] cpu_opv: Wire up x86 32/64 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 for 4.15 12/24] cpu_opv: Implement selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 for 4.15 13/24] Restartable sequences: Provide self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 14/24] Restartable sequences selftests: arm: workaround gcc asm size guess Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v5 for 4.15 17/24] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 21:08 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 00/24] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector v11 Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <CA+55aFzZcQKEvu5S3TwD9MscqDhqq3pKa0Kam79NncjP8RnvoQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 21:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVMvk0dsBMF8F-gPZCGnfJt=RQOvTnVzJhVaAFhEFbq2w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 21:32 ` Paul Turner
2018-03-27 18:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 21:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <2115146800.15215.1510695175687.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15 4:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrX4dzY_kyZmqR+srKZf7vVYzODH5i9bguFAzdm0dcU3ZQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15 6:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 10/24] cpu_opv: Wire up powerpc system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 11/24] cpu_opv: Wire up ARM32 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 for 4.15 15/24] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v7 for 4.15 16/24] membarrier: powerpc: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 18/24] membarrier: provide SHARED_EXPEDITED command Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-19-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15 1:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 19/24] membarrier: selftest: Test shared expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171114200414.2188-20-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 15:07 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 20/24] membarrier: Provide core serializing command Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 for 4.15 21/24] x86: Introduce sync_core_before_usermode Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH v2 for 4.15 22/24] membarrier: x86: Provide core serializing command Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 23/24] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited sync core cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-17 15:09 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-17 16:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-14 20:04 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 24/24] membarrier: arm64: Provide core serializing command Mathieu Desnoyers
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