From: Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com>
To: Vinicius Petrucci <vpetrucci@gmail.com>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Zhongkun He <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>,
corbet@lwn.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, wuyun.abel@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] mm: add new syscall pidfd_set_mempolicy()
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:51:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPTztWZec=aakACy=1VaKOZ0nTbqvY_D+f2xEy0s+sfHL3wXMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEZ6=UOA6=ikSdxN662xyhT3wauGuqZReKLOb=_9EmSRckNr=Q@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 5:34 AM Vinicius Petrucci <vpetrucci@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, per address range operation is a completely different beast I
> > would say. External tool would need to a) understand what that range is
> > used for (e.g. stack/heap ranges, mmaped shared files like libraries or
> > private mappings) and b) by in sync with memory layout modifications
> > done by applications (e.g. that an mmap has been issued to back malloc
> > request). Quite a lot of understanding about the specific process. I
> > would say that with that intimate knowledge it is quite better to be
> > part of the process and do those changes from within of the process
> > itself.
>
> Sorry, this may be a digression, but just wanted to mention a
> particular use case from a project I recently collaborated on (to
> appear next month at IIWSC 2022:
> http://www.iiswc.org/iiswc2022/index.html).
>
> We carried out a performance analysis of the latest Linux AutoNUMA
> memory tiering on graph processing applications. We noticed that hot
> pages cannot be properly identified by the reactive approach used by
> AutoNUMA due to irregular/random memory access patterns. Thus, as a
> POC, we implemented and evaluated a simple idea of having an external
> user-level process/agent that, based on prior profiling results of
> memory regions, could make more effectively memory chunk/object-based
> mappings (instead of page-level allocation/migration) in advance on
> either DRAM or CXL/PMEM (via mbind calls). This kind of tiering
> solution could deliver up to 2x more performance for graph analytics
> workloads. We plan to evaluate other workloads as well.
>
> Having a feature like "pidfd/process_mbind" would really simplify our
> user-level agent implementation moving forward, as right now we are
> adding a LD_PRELOAD wrapper (for signal handler) to listen and execute
> "mbind" requests from another process. If there's any other
> alternative solution to this already (via ptrace?), please let me
> know.
>
Interesting, looking forward to seeing your paper! This is the kind of
use case I was trying to describe for pidfd_mbind() - a userspace
orchestrator with some intimate knowledge of the process' memory
layout (through profiling, like in your case, or otherwise), that can
direct memory to the right nodes / memory tiers.
- Frank
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-12 16:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-10 9:48 [RFC] mm: add new syscall pidfd_set_mempolicy() Zhongkun He
2022-10-10 16:22 ` Frank van der Linden
2022-10-11 15:00 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-11 17:22 ` Frank van der Linden
2022-10-11 19:29 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 3:14 ` Abel Wu
2022-10-12 12:34 ` Vinicius Petrucci
2022-10-12 13:07 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 13:23 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 16:51 ` Frank van der Linden [this message]
2022-10-11 14:57 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 7:55 ` [External] " Zhongkun He
2022-10-12 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-12 11:22 ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-12 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 10:44 ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-13 11:26 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 12:50 ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-13 13:17 ` Michal Hocko
2022-10-13 13:42 ` Zhongkun He
2022-10-12 4:16 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2022-10-12 8:18 ` [External] " Zhongkun He
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