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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>,
	sridhar.samudrala@intel.com,  Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 chuck.lever@oracle.com, jlayton@kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,  brauner@kernel.org,
	davem@davemloft.net, alexander.duyck@gmail.com,
	 Wei Wang <weiwan@google.com>,
	Amritha Nambiar <amritha.nambiar@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next 0/3] Per epoll context busy poll support
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 10:17:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZcEmDz3UvAksHFFG@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240202171539.7347cb01@kernel.org>

On 02/02, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 12:23:44 -0800 Joe Damato wrote:
> > > Did you see SO_PREFER_BUSY_POLL by any chance? (In combination with
> > > gro_flush_timeout IIRC). We added it a while back with Bjorn, it seems
> > > like a great idea to me at the time but I'm unclear if anyone uses it 
> > > in production..  
> > 
> > I have seen it while reading the code, yes. I think maybe I missed
> > something about its interaction with gro_flush_timeout. In my use case,
> > the machine has no traffic until after the app is started.
> > 
> > In this case, I haven't needed to worry about regular NAPI monopolizing the
> > CPU and preventing busy poll from working.
> > 
> > Maybe I am missing something more nuanced, though? I'll have another look
> > at the code, just incase.
> 
> We reused the gro_flush_timeout as an existing "user doesn't care if
> packets get delayed by this much in worst case" value. If you set
> SO_PREFER_BUSY_POLL the next time you busy pool the NAPI will be marked 
> as "already scheduled" and a timer is set (to gro_flush_timeout).
> If NIC IRQ fires before gro_flush_timeout it gets ignored, because NAPI
> is already marked as scheduled.
> If you busy poll again the timer gets postponed for another
> gro_flush_timeout nsec.
> If timer fires we go back to normal NAPI processing.
> 
> The idea is that you set gro_flush_timeout to some high value, like 
> 10 msec, and expect your app to poll more often than every 10 msec. 
> 
> Then the normal NAPI processing will never kick in, and there will 
> be only 1 NIC IRQ after which the HW IRQ remains masked.
> With high coalescing timer you technically still get an IRQ every
> so often and interrupt the app. Worst case (UDP flood) you may even
> get into an overload where the app gets starved out completely..

Should we also add prefer_busy_poll parameter to EPIOCSPARAMS?
napi_busy_loop in ep_busy_loop has its prefer_busy_poll argument
hard-coded as false.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-05 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-24  2:53 [net-next 0/3] Per epoll context busy poll support Joe Damato
2024-01-24  2:53 ` [net-next 1/3] eventpoll: support busy poll per epoll instance Joe Damato
2024-01-24  2:53 ` [net-next 2/3] eventpoll: Add per-epoll busy poll packet budget Joe Damato
2024-01-24  2:53 ` [net-next 3/3] eventpoll: Add epoll ioctl for epoll_params Joe Damato
2024-01-24 15:37   ` Joe Damato
2024-01-24  8:20 ` [net-next 0/3] Per epoll context busy poll support Eric Dumazet
2024-01-24 14:20   ` Joe Damato
2024-01-24 14:38     ` Eric Dumazet
2024-01-24 15:19       ` Joe Damato
2024-01-30 18:54   ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2024-02-02  3:28     ` Joe Damato
2024-02-02 17:23       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2024-02-02 18:22         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-02 19:33           ` Joe Damato
2024-02-02 19:58             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-02 20:23               ` Joe Damato
2024-02-02 20:50                 ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2024-02-02 20:55                   ` Joe Damato
2024-02-03  1:15                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-05 18:17                   ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2024-02-05 18:52                     ` Joe Damato
2024-02-05 19:48                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-05 18:51                   ` Joe Damato
2024-02-05 19:59                     ` Jakub Kicinski

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