From: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Garrett <matthewgarrett@google.com>,
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David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 23/27] bpf: Restrict kernel image access functions when the kernel is locked down
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 05:57:07 +1100 (AEDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1903270523240.5235@namei.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrU=EqqRwyQGBT0=_N9-E_pBM53=z+WJrd9OzV7g6xJa0A@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> A while back, I suggested an approach to actually make this stuff
> mergeable: submit a patch series that adds lockdown mode, enables it
> by command line option (and maybe sysctl) *only* and has either no
> effect or only a token effect. Then we can add actual features to
> lockdown mode one at a time and review them separately.
This makes sense to me.
>
> And I'm going to complain loudly unless two things change about this
> whole thing:
>
> 1. Lockdown mode becomes three states, not a boolean. The states are:
> no lockdown, best-effort-to-protect-kernel-integrity, and
> best-effort-to-protect-kernel-secrecy-and-integrity. And this BPF
> mess illustrates why: most users will really strongly object to
> turning off BPF when they actually just want to protect kernel
> integrity. And as far as I know, things like Secure Boot policy will
> mostly care about integrity, not secrecy, and tracing and such should
> work on a normal locked-down kernel. So I think we need this knob.
Another approach would be to make this entirely policy based:
- Assign an ID to each lockdown point
- Implement a policy mechanism where each ID is mapped to 0 or 1
- Allow this policy to be specified statically or dynamically
So,
kernel_is_locked_down("ioperm")
becomes
kernel_is_locked_down(LOCKDOWN_IOPERM)
and this function checks e.g.
if (lockdown_polcy[id]) {
fail or warn;
}
Thoughts?
> 2. All the proponents of this series, and the documentation, needs to
> document that it's best effort. There will always be security bugs,
> and there will always be things we miss.
Right. Maintaining this feature will be an ongoing effort, and if its not
actively maintained, it will bitrot and become useless.
--
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-26 18:57 UTC|newest]
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2019-03-26 0:10 ` [PATCH 23/27] bpf: Restrict kernel image access functions when the kernel is locked down Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-26 18:57 ` James Morris [this message]
2019-03-26 19:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-03-28 3:15 ` James Morris
2019-03-28 18:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-28 19:23 ` James Morris
2019-03-28 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2019-03-26 20:19 ` Matthew Garrett
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