From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: "André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
kernel-dev@igalia.com,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, "Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"libc-alpha@sourceware.org" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] futex: how to solve the robust_list race condition?
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2026 11:56:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <de1bfbf6-424f-4d69-afb5-5d0c7600874d@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <lhuqzq2chdw.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>
On 2026-03-02 11:42, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Mathieu Desnoyers:
[...]
>> AFAIU we don't need to evaluate this on context switch. We only need
>> to evaluate it at:
>>
>> (a) Signal delivery,
>> (b) Process exit.
>
> Ah, missed that part. It changes the rules somewhat.
>
>> Also, the tradeoff here is not clear cut to me: the only thing the rseq
>> flag would prevent is comparisons of the instruction pointer against a
>> vDSO range at (a) and (b), which are not as performance critical as
>> context switches. I'm not sure it would warrant the added complexity of
>> the rseq flag, and coupling with rseq. Moreover, I'm not convinced that
>> loading an extra rseq flag field from userspace would be faster than
>> just comparing with a known range of vDSO addresses.
>
> It wouldn't work for the signal case anyway. That would need space in
> rseq for some kind of write-ahead log of the operation before it's being
> carried out, so that it can be completed on signal delivery/process
> exit.
The signal handler case can be dealt with by making sure we clear the
pending ops list on signal delivery. AFAIU with that in place we would
not need a write-ahead log. But even then, I don't think the rseq flag
would bring any benefit over simple vDSO instruction pointer ranges
comparisons.
Also the rseq flag set/clear cannot be done atomically with respect
to the mutex unlock (success) and pending ops clear state transitions,
so we'd need instruction pointer comparisons anyway.
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-02 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-20 20:26 [RFC PATCH 0/2] futex: how to solve the robust_list race condition? André Almeida
2026-02-20 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] futex: Create reproducer for robust_list race condition André Almeida
2026-03-12 9:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-12 13:36 ` André Almeida
2026-02-20 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] futex: hack: Add debug delays André Almeida
2026-02-20 20:51 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] futex: how to solve the robust_list race condition? Liam R. Howlett
2026-02-27 19:15 ` André Almeida
2026-02-20 21:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-02-20 22:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-02-20 23:17 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-02-23 11:13 ` Florian Weimer
2026-02-23 13:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-02-23 13:47 ` Rich Felker
2026-02-27 19:16 ` André Almeida
2026-02-27 19:59 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-02-27 20:41 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-03-01 15:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-02 7:31 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-02 14:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-02 15:32 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-02 16:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-03-02 16:42 ` Florian Weimer
2026-03-02 16:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
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