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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	akpm@osdl.org, mingo@redhat.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:39:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <12101.1141925945@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603090814530.18022@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> Basically, as long as nobody else is reading the lock, the lock will stay 
> in the caches.

I think for the purposes of talking about memory barriers, we consider the
cache to be part of the memory since the cache coherency mechanisms will give
the same effect.

I suppose the way the cache can be viewed as working is that bits of memory
are shuttled around between the CPUs, RAM and any other devices that partake
of the coherency mechanism.

> All modern CPU's do atomic operations entirely within the cache coherency 
> logic.

I know that, and I think it's irrelevant to specifying memory barriers.

> I think x86 still support the notion of a "locked cycle" on the 
> bus,

I wonder if that's what XCHG and XADD do... There's no particular reason they
should be that much slower than LOCK INCL/DECL. Of course, I've only measured
this on my Dual-PPro test box, so other i386 arch CPUs may exhibit other
behaviour.

David

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-09 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 17:40 [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers David Howells
2006-03-07 10:34 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 18:30   ` David Howells
2006-03-07 11:13     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 19:24       ` David Howells
2006-03-07 18:46     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 19:23     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 11:57       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 20:01         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 21:14         ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 21:24           ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08  0:36             ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  0:35         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:54   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 19:15       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:33     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:09   ` David Howells
2006-03-08  0:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  8:25     ` Duncan Sands
2006-03-08 22:06       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:24         ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 22:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 22:42         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  3:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08  3:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 12:34     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:40       ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-08  7:41   ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 13:19   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 21:49     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 14:37 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] David Howells
2006-03-08 14:55   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 15:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-08 17:19       ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:10         ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 23:08           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-09  1:01             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 16:02               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-08 17:04     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:36       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:35         ` David Howells
2006-03-08 18:45           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:59             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 11:38               ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08 19:08             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 19:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 19:31                 ` David Howells
2006-03-09  0:35                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  1:08                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  1:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  2:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  3:45                           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:36                             ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  7:41                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  5:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 12:27                               ` David Howells
2006-03-09 11:44                             ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-09  4:34                           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  4:43                             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 10:05                               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-03-09  0:55                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:57                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:26                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:40                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-09  0:37                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:59                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:36                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:18                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:54                 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 20:02                 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:23       ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 19:37   ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #3] David Howells
2006-03-09 14:01     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:18 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 20:16   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 11:41       ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:28         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 13:02           ` David Howells
2006-03-09 16:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:39           ` David Howells [this message]
2006-03-09 17:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:56               ` Linus Torvalds

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