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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
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	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
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	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	Jeff Dike <jdik>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/20] mm: Optimize fullmm TLB flushing
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:52:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1340902329.28750.83.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwByDWu5bP__e3sw34E7s88f_2P=8m=i6SuP6s+NZgF6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 09:45 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > How horrid is something like the below. It detaches the mm so that
> > hardware speculation simply doesn't matter.
> 
> Actually, that's wrong. Even when detached, kernel threads may still
> use that mm lazily. Now, that only happens on other CPU's (if any
> scheduling happens on *this* CPU, they will lazily take the mm of the
> thread it scheduled away from), but even if you detach the VM that
> doesn't mean that hardware speculation wouldn't matter. Kernel threads
> on other CPU's may still be doing TLB accesses.
> 
> Of course, I *think* that if we do an IPI on the thing, we also kick
> those kernel threads out of using that mm. So it may actually work if
> you also do that explicit TLB flush to make sure other CPU's don't
> have this MM. I don't think switch_mm() does that for you, it only
> does a local-cpu invalidate.
> 
> I didn't look at the code, though. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that
> you are wrong.

No I think you're right (as always).. also an IPI will not force
schedule the thread that might be running on the receiving cpu, also
we'd have to wait for any such schedule to complete in order to
guarantee the mm isn't lazily used anymore.

Bugger.. it would've been nice to do this. I guess I'd better go special
case s390 for now until we can come up with something that would work.


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  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-28 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-27 21:15 [PATCH 00/20] Unify TLB gather implementations -v3 Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 01/20] mm, x86: Add HAVE_RCU_TABLE_FREE support Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 02/20] mm: Add optional TLB flush to generic RCU page-table freeing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28  7:09       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28  7:09         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 11:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 12:00           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 12:00             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-24  5:12       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-07-24  5:12         ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 03/20] mm, tlb: Remove a few #ifdefs Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 04/20] mm, s390: use generic RCU page-table freeing code Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 05/20] mm, powerpc: Dont use tlb_flush for external tlb flushes Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 06/20] mm, sparc64: " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 07/20] mm, arch: Remove tlb_flush() Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 08/20] mm: Optimize fullmm TLB flushing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:26   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 23:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:33           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-27 23:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28  9:16             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 10:39               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 10:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 14:53                   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-28 16:20                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:38                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:45                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-06-28 16:52                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2012-06-28 21:57                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 21:58                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-29  8:49                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-29 15:26                             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-06-29 22:11                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-28 10:55             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 10:55               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:19               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 11:19                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-28 11:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 11:30                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 16:00                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 09/20] mm, arch: Add end argument to p??_free_tlb() Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 10/20] mm: Provide generic range tracking and flushing Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 11/20] mm, s390: Convert to use generic mmu_gather Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 22:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28  7:13     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 12/20] mm, arm: Convert arm to generic tlb Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 13/20] mm, ia64: Convert ia64 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 14/20] mm, sh: Convert sh " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-28 18:32   ` Paul Mundt
2012-06-28 20:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 15/20] mm, um: Convert um " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 16/20] mm, avr32: Convert avr32 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 17/20] mm, mips: Convert mips " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 18/20] mm, parisc: Convert parisc " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:15 ` [PATCH 19/20] mm, sparc32: Convert sparc32 " Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-27 21:16 ` [PATCH 20/20] mm, xtensa: Convert xtensa " Peter Zijlstra

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