From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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rob clark <robclark@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] mutex: add support for reservation style locks, v2
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:39:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365417564.2609.153.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uG_qLQrZUdE_LRANm7qXPvGUisBx-k=+y=F2gA3=odkrQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 18:56 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> >> In this case when O blocks Y isn't actually blocked, so our
> >> TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup doesn't actually achieve anything.
> >>
> >> This means we also have to track (task) state so that once Y tries to
> >> acquire A (creating the actual deadlock) we'll not wait so our
> >> TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup doesn't actually achieve anything.
> >>
> >> Note that Y doesn't need to acquire A in order to return -EDEADLK, any
> >> acquisition from the same set (see below) would return -EDEADLK even if
> >> there isn't an actual deadlock. This is the cost of heuristic; we could
> >> walk the actual block graph but that would be prohibitively expensive
> >> since we'd have to do this on every acquire.
> >
> > Hm, I guess your aim with the TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup is to bound the wait
> > times of older task. This could be interesting for RT, but I'm unsure of
> > the implications. The trick with the current code is that the oldest task
> > will never see an -EAGAIN ever and hence is guaranteed to make forward
> > progress. If the task is really unlucky though it might be forced to wait
> > for a younger task for every ww_mutex it tries to acquire.
>
> [Aside: I'm writing this while your replies trickle in, but I think
> it's not yet answered already.]
>
> Ok, I've discussed this a lot with Maarten on irc and I think I see a
> bit clearer now what's the aim with the new sleep state. Or at least I
> have an illusion about it ;-) So let me try to recap my understanding
> to check whether we're talking roughly about the same idea.
>
> I think for starters we need to have a slightly more interesting example:
>
> 3 threads O, M, Y: O has the oldest ww_age/ticket, Y the youngest, M
> is in between.
> 2 ww_mutexes: A, B
>
> Y has already acquired ww_mutex A, M has already acquired ww_mutex B.
>
> Now O wants to acquire B and M wants to acquire A (let's ignore
> detailed ordering for now), resulting in O blocking on M (M holds B
> already, but O is older) and M blocking on Y (same for lock B).
drawing the picture for myself:
task-O task-M task-Y
A
B
B
A
> Now first question to check my understanding: Your aim with that
> special wakeup is to kick M so that it backs off and drops B? That way
> O does not need to wait for Y to complete whatever it's currently
> doing, unlock A and then in turn M to complete whatever it's doing so
> that it can unlock A&B and finally allows O to grab the lock.
No, we always need to wait for locks to be unlocked. The sole purpose
of the special wakeups state is to not wake other (!ww_mutex) locks
that might be held by the task holding the contended ww_mutex. While
all schedule() sites should deal with spurious wakeups its a sad fact
of life that they do not :/
> Presuming I'm still following we should be able to fix this with the
> new sleep state TASK_DEADLOCK and a flag somewhere in the thread info
> (let's call it PF_GTFO for simplicity).
I'm reading "Get The F*ck Out" ? I like the name, except PF_flags are
unsuitable since they are not atomic and we'd need to set it from
another thread.
> Then every time a task does a
> blocking wait on a ww_mutex it would set this special sleep state and
> also check the PF_GTFO bit.
So its the contending task (O for B) setting PF_GTFO on the owning task
(M for B), right?
But yeah, all ww_mutex sleep states should have the new TASK_DEADLOCK
sleep state added.
> If the later is set, it bails out with
> -EAGAIN (so that all locks are dropped).
I would really rather see -EDEADLK for that..
> Now if a task wants to take a lock and notices that it's held by a
> younger locker it can set that flag and wake the thread up (need to
> think about all the races a bit, but we should be able to make this
> work). Then it can do the normal blocking mutex slowpath and wait for
> the unlock.
Right.
> Now if O and M race a bit against each another M should either get
> woken (if it's already blocked on Y) and back off, or notice that the
> thread flag is set before it even tries to grab another mutex
ww_mutex, it should block just fine on regular mutexes and other
primitives.
> (and so
> before the block tree can extend further to Y). And the special sleep
> state is to make sure we don't cause any other spurious interrupts.
Right, I think we're understanding one another here.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-08 10:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-28 10:24 [PATCH v2 1/3] arch: make __mutex_fastpath_lock_retval return whether fastpath succeeded or not Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:24 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] mutex: add support for reservation style locks, v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:25 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 10:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 11:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 14:57 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 14:57 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 16:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 17:23 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:23 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:30 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 12:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 12:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 13:31 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-09 22:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10 8:27 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-10 8:27 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-09 22:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10 9:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-17 19:08 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-18 17:37 ` Ville Syrjälä
2013-04-04 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 20:44 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-08 10:39 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-04-08 11:50 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-08 11:50 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-10 10:34 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-09 22:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-09 22:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-02 15:56 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-28 10:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] reservation: Add tests to lib/locking-selftest.c. v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2013-03-09 12:06 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v2 1/3] arch: make __mutex_fastpath_lock_retval return whether fastpath succeeded or not Francesco Lavra
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