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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	rob clark <robclark@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] mutex: add support for reservation style locks, v2
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:39:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1365417564.2609.153.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uG_qLQrZUdE_LRANm7qXPvGUisBx-k=+y=F2gA3=odkrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 18:56 +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> >> In this case when O blocks Y isn't actually blocked, so our
> >> TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup doesn't actually achieve anything.
> >>
> >> This means we also have to track (task) state so that once Y tries to
> >> acquire A (creating the actual deadlock) we'll not wait so our
> >> TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup doesn't actually achieve anything.
> >>
> >> Note that Y doesn't need to acquire A in order to return -EDEADLK, any
> >> acquisition from the same set (see below) would return -EDEADLK even if
> >> there isn't an actual deadlock. This is the cost of heuristic; we could
> >> walk the actual block graph but that would be prohibitively expensive
> >> since we'd have to do this on every acquire.
> >
> > Hm, I guess your aim with the TASK_DEADLOCK wakeup is to bound the wait
> > times of older task. This could be interesting for RT, but I'm unsure of
> > the implications. The trick with the current code is that the oldest task
> > will never see an -EAGAIN ever and hence is guaranteed to make forward
> > progress. If the task is really unlucky though it might be forced to wait
> > for a younger task for every ww_mutex it tries to acquire.
> 
> [Aside: I'm writing this while your replies trickle in, but I think
> it's not yet answered already.]
> 
> Ok, I've discussed this a lot with Maarten on irc and I think I see a
> bit clearer now what's the aim with the new sleep state. Or at least I
> have an illusion about it ;-) So let me try to recap my understanding
> to check whether we're talking roughly about the same idea.
> 
> I think for starters we need to have a slightly more interesting example:
> 
> 3 threads O, M, Y: O has the oldest ww_age/ticket, Y the youngest, M
> is in between.
> 2 ww_mutexes: A, B
> 
> Y has already acquired ww_mutex A, M has already acquired ww_mutex B.
> 
> Now O wants to acquire B and M wants to acquire A (let's ignore
> detailed ordering for now), resulting in O blocking on M (M holds B
> already, but O is older) and M blocking on Y (same for lock B).

drawing the picture for myself:

	task-O	task-M	task-Y
			A
		B
	B
		A

> Now first question to check my understanding: Your aim with that
> special wakeup is to kick M so that it backs off and drops B? That way
> O does not need to wait for Y to complete whatever it's currently
> doing, unlock A and then in turn M to complete whatever it's doing so
> that it can unlock A&B and finally allows O to grab the lock.

No, we always need to wait for locks to be unlocked. The sole purpose
of the special wakeups state is to not wake other (!ww_mutex) locks
that might be held by the task holding the contended ww_mutex. While
all schedule() sites should deal with spurious wakeups its a sad fact
of life that they do not :/

> Presuming I'm still following we should be able to fix this with the
> new sleep state TASK_DEADLOCK and a flag somewhere in the thread info
> (let's call it PF_GTFO for simplicity).

I'm reading "Get The F*ck Out" ? I like the name, except PF_flags are
unsuitable since they are not atomic and we'd need to set it from
another thread.

>  Then every time a task does a
> blocking wait on a ww_mutex it would set this special sleep state and
> also check the PF_GTFO bit.

So its the contending task (O for B) setting PF_GTFO on the owning task
(M for B), right?

But yeah, all ww_mutex sleep states should have the new TASK_DEADLOCK
sleep state added.

>  If the later is set, it bails out with
> -EAGAIN (so that all locks are dropped).

I would really rather see -EDEADLK for that..

> Now if a task wants to take a lock and notices that it's held by a
> younger locker it can set that flag and wake the thread up (need to
> think about all the races a bit, but we should be able to make this
> work). Then it can do the normal blocking mutex slowpath and wait for
> the unlock.

Right.

> Now if O and M race a bit against each another M should either get
> woken (if it's already blocked on Y) and back off, or notice that the
> thread flag is set before it even tries to grab another mutex 

ww_mutex, it should block just fine on regular mutexes and other
primitives.

> (and so
> before the block tree can extend further to Y). And the special sleep
> state is to make sure we don't cause any other spurious interrupts.

Right, I think we're understanding one another here.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-08 10:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-28 10:24 [PATCH v2 1/3] arch: make __mutex_fastpath_lock_retval return whether fastpath succeeded or not Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:24 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] mutex: add support for reservation style locks, v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2013-02-28 10:25   ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 10:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 10:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 10:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 11:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 14:57     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 14:57       ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-04-02 16:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 17:23         ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:23           ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:30         ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 17:30           ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 12:01         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 12:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 13:31           ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:33             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:38             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:59               ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-09 22:27               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  8:27                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-10  8:27                   ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:39             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:39               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-09 22:28               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  9:33                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-17 19:08                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-18 17:37                   ` Ville Syrjälä
2013-04-04 16:43             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:43               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:46               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 20:44               ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-04 16:56             ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-04 16:56               ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-08 10:39               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-04-08 11:50                 ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-08 11:50                   ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-10 10:34                   ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-09 22:42               ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-10  7:34                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-09 22:18         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-04-02 15:56     ` Daniel Vetter
2013-04-02 11:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-04-02 11:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-02-28 10:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] reservation: Add tests to lib/locking-selftest.c. v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2013-03-09 12:06 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v2 1/3] arch: make __mutex_fastpath_lock_retval return whether fastpath succeeded or not Francesco Lavra

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