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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dma-mapping: Add BUG_ON for uninitialized dma_ops
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:14:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1371226483.2726.19.camel@dabdike> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201306141636.29390.arnd@arndb.de>

On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 16:36 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday 13 June 2013, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Wed, 2013-06-12 at 17:06 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 11 June 2013, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > Really, no, it's not a good idea at all.  It invites tons of patches
> > > > littering the code with BUG_ONs where we might possibly get a NULL
> > > > dereference.  All it does is add extra instructions to a code path for
> > > > no actual benefit.
> > > > 
> > > > If you can answer the question: what more information does the BUG_ON
> > > > give you than the NULL deref Oops would not? then it might be
> > > > reasonable.
> > > 
> > > The question is if a user can trigger the NULL dereference intentionally,
> > > in which case they might get the kernel to jump into a  user-provided
> > > buffer.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate on how they could do this?  If you're thinking they
> > could alter the pointer and trigger the jump, then yes, but a BUG_ON
> > won't prevent that because the altered pointer won't be NULL.
> 
> The attack that has been demonstrated a couple of times uses an anomymous
> mmap to virtual address 0. You fill that page with pointers to a
> function in your program. If there is a NULL pointer to some operations
> structure and kernel code calls an operation without checking the
> ops pointer first, it gets read from the NULL page and the kernel
> jumps into user space.

This is the MMAP_PAGE_ZERO exploit.  The original exploit relied on a
leaky personality capability clearing mask and was fixed in 2.6.31 by

commit f9fabcb58a6d26d6efde842d1703ac7cfa9427b6
Author: Julien Tinnes <jt@cr0.org>
Date:   Fri Jun 26 20:27:40 2009 +0200

    personality: fix PER_CLEAR_ON_SETID

So it's not really relevant to 3.x kernels, is it?

James

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-14 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-03 12:44 [PATCH] dma-mapping: Add BUG_ON for uninitialized dma_ops Michal Simek
2013-06-10  9:00 ` Michal Simek
2013-06-11  2:34 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2013-06-11  2:34   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2013-06-11 11:02   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-06-11 11:02     ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-06-11 13:54     ` James Bottomley
2013-06-12 15:06       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-06-13  8:51         ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-06-13 20:59         ` James Bottomley
2013-06-14 14:36           ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-06-14 16:14             ` James Bottomley [this message]
2013-06-19 15:20               ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-06-26 12:58                 ` Michal Simek
2013-06-26 12:58                   ` Michal Simek

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