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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: David Daney <ddaney.cavm@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
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	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC] Get rid of SUBARCH
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 16:32:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1377207175.2737.113@driftwood> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52167AB8.4060206@gmail.com> (from ddaney.cavm@gmail.com on Thu Aug 22 15:55:20 2013)

On 08/22/2013 03:55:20 PM, David Daney wrote:
> On 08/22/2013 01:41 PM, Rob Landley wrote:
>> On 08/22/2013 07:58:26 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>  
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > The series touches also m68k, sh, mips and unicore32.
>>> >> > These architectures magically select a cross compiler if ARCH  
>>> !=
>>> SUBARCH.
>>> >> > Do really need that behavior?
>>> >>
>>> >> This does remove functionality.
>>> >> It allows to build a kernel using e.g. "make ARCH=m68k".
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps this can be moved to generic code? Most (not all!)
>>> cross-toolchains
>>> >> are called $ARCH-{unknown-,}linux{,-gnu}.
>>> >> Exceptions are e.g. am33_2.0-linux and bfin-uclinux.
>>> >
>>> > Today you can specify CROSS_COMPILE in Kconfig.
>>> > With this we should be able to remove these hacks.
>>> 
>>> The correct CROSS_COMPILE value depends on the host environment, not
>>> on the target configuration.
>> 
>> Actually it depends on _both_.
>> 
> 
> I think the important issue is not the exact dependencies of the  
> value of CROSS_COMPILE, but rather that it varies enough that  
> automatically choosing a value based on SUBARCH often gives the wrong  
> result.
> 
> Removing SUBARCH and setting CROSS_COMPILE either from the make  
> command line (or environment) or the config file, is a good idea  
> because it simplifies the build system, makes things clearer, and  
> yields more predictable results.
> 
> David Daney

Agreed. Expecting the build to guess the right $CROSS_COMPILE is like  
expecting it to guess the right $PATH. It should be specified, not  
heuristically probed.

Rob

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-22 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-21  8:19 [RFC] Get rid of SUBARCH Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 1/8] um: Create defconfigs for i386 and x86_64 Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-22  4:55   ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-08-22  4:55     ` Stephen Rothwell
2013-09-26 10:20   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 10:35     ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 10:35       ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 11:57       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 11:57         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 12:04         ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 12:04           ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-27  9:22       ` Toralf Förster
2013-09-27  9:22         ` Toralf Förster
2013-09-27  9:26         ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-27  9:26           ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 2/8] um: Do not use SUBARCH Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 10:40   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 10:40     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 10:44     ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 10:53       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 11:01         ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 11:01           ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 11:43           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 11:43             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 11:56             ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 11:56               ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 12:00               ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 12:00                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 13:13                 ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 13:13                   ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 13:26                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-09-26 13:56                     ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 13:57                     ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 13:57                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 14:24                     ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 14:24                       ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 14:36                       ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 14:36                         ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 15:04                         ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 15:04                           ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 16:06                           ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 16:06                             ` Ramkumar Ramachandra
2013-09-26 17:10                             ` Richard Weinberger
2013-09-26 17:10                               ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 3/8] um: Remove old defconfig Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 4/8] m68k: Do not use SUBARCH Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 5/8] sh: " Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 6/8] mips: " Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 7/8] unicore32: " Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19 ` [PATCH 8/8] Makefile: Remove SUBARCH Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21  8:19   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21 12:07 ` [RFC] Get rid of SUBARCH Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-08-21 12:07   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-08-21 12:16   ` Richard Weinberger
2013-08-21 17:25   ` Rob Landley
2013-08-21 17:25     ` Rob Landley
2013-08-21 19:51   ` Sam Ravnborg
2013-08-21 19:51     ` Sam Ravnborg
2013-08-22 12:58     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-08-22 12:58       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-08-22 20:41       ` Rob Landley
2013-08-22 20:41         ` Rob Landley
2013-08-22 20:55         ` David Daney
2013-08-22 21:32           ` Rob Landley [this message]
2013-08-22 21:32             ` Rob Landley
2013-08-21 12:53 ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-08-21 12:53   ` Thorsten Glaser
2013-08-21 12:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-08-21 12:58     ` H. Peter Anvin

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