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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] memory-barriers: remove smp_mb__after_unlock_lock()
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 08:37:30 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1436827050.3948.236.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150713155447.GB19282@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, 2015-07-13 at 17:54 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> That said, I don't think this could even happen on PPC because we have
> load_acquire and store_release, this means that:
> 
> 	*A = a
> 	lwsync
> 	store_release M
> 	load_acquire N
> 	lwsync
> 	*B = b
> 
> And since the store to M is wrapped inside two lwsync there must be
> strong store order, and because the load from N is equally wrapped in
> two lwsyncs there must also be strong load order.
> 
> In fact, no store/load can cross from before the first lwsync to after
> the latter and the other way around.
> 
> So in that respect it does provide full load-store ordering. What it
> does not provide is order for M and N, nor does it provide transitivity,
> but looking at our documentation I'm not at all sure we guarantee that
> in any case.

The problem is if you have a load after the second lwsync, that load can
go up pass the store release. This has caused issues when N or M is what
you are trying to order against. That's why we had to add a sync to
spin_is_locked or similar.

Ben.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-13 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-13 12:15 [RFC PATCH v2] memory-barriers: remove smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() Will Deacon
2015-07-13 13:09 ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 13:09   ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 14:24   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 15:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 13:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 14:09   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 14:09     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 14:21     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 15:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 17:50         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 20:20           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 23:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 10:04                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 10:04                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 12:45                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 12:51                     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 12:51                       ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 14:00                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 14:00                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 14:12                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 19:31                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15  1:38                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15  1:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15 10:51                               ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15 10:51                                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15 13:12                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-24 11:31                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-24 15:30                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-12 13:44                                       ` Will Deacon
2015-08-12 15:43                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-12 17:59                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-13 10:49                                             ` Will Deacon
2015-08-13 10:49                                               ` Will Deacon
2015-08-13 13:10                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-13 13:10                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-17  4:06                                           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-17  6:15                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-17  8:57                                               ` Will Deacon
2015-08-18  1:50                                                 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-18  8:37                                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-08-20  9:45                                                     ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-20 15:56                                                       ` Will Deacon
2015-08-20 15:56                                                         ` Will Deacon
2015-08-26  0:27                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-26  4:06                                                           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 18:23         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 19:41           ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 19:41             ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 20:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 20:16               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 22:43                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-13 22:43                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-14  8:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-14  8:34                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 22:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:53                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:37         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2015-07-13 22:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-14 10:16   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15  3:06   ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-15  3:06     ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-15 10:44     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-16  2:00       ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  2:00         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  5:03         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-16  5:14           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-16 15:11             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-16 22:54               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-17  9:32                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-17  9:32                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-17 10:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-17 12:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-17 22:14                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-20 13:39                     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-20 13:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-20 13:56                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-20 21:18                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-22 16:49                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-22 16:49                           ` Will Deacon
2015-09-01  2:57             ` Paul Mackerras
2015-07-15 14:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-16  1:34       ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  1:34         ` Michael Ellerman

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