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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"axboe@kernel.dk" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	Hans Liljestrand <ishkamiel@gmail.com>,
	David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH] x86/refcount: Implement fast refcount_t handling
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 21:11:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1493082680.23190.1.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+tbPr04Jiv4yjJJO3h89fDxy-iWAeuoDZ2N+XDY58umw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 15:37 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org
> > wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 01:40:56PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > I think we're way off in the weeds here. The "cannot inc from 0"
> > > check
> > > is about general sanity checks on refcounts.
> > 
> > I disagree, although sanity check are good too.
> > 
> > > It should never happen, and if it does, there's a bug.
> > 
> > The very same is true of the overflow thing.
> > 
> > > However, what the refcount hardening protection is trying to do
> > > is
> > > protect again the exploitable condition: overflow.
> > 
> > Sure..
> > 
> > > Inc-from-0 isn't an exploitable condition since in theory
> > > the memory suddenly becomes correctly managed again.
> > 
> > It does not. It just got free'ed. Nothing will stop the free from
> > happening (or already having happened).
> 
> Well, yes, but that's kind of my point. Detecting inc-from-0 is "too
> late" to offer a protection. It offers notification of a bug, rather
> than stopping an exploit from happening.

inc-from-0 could allow the attacker to gain access to
an object which gets allocated to a new user afterwards.

Certainly much less useful as an exploit, but still a
potential privilege escalation.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-25  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-21 22:09 [PATCH] x86/refcount: Implement fast refcount_t handling Kees Cook
2017-04-24  8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24  8:53   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jann Horn
2017-04-24  8:53     ` Jann Horn
2017-04-24  9:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 11:00   ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 11:00     ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 11:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 13:08       ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 13:08         ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 13:33         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 13:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 15:15           ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 20:40             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 22:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 22:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 22:37                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25  1:11                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2017-04-25  9:05                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-25 11:26                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 11:26                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 16:36                   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 16:36                     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:33     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:33       ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 11:26       ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 16:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-26  2:14           ` PaX Team
2017-04-26  2:14             ` PaX Team
2017-04-26  4:42             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:16     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 20:19   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 10:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 20:21   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:21     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 10:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-25 11:26   ` PaX Team

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