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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: clear_user_highpage()
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:53:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040811165307.46ff1eb6.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0408111635160.1839@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:46:10 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> It sucks because it does bad things to cache behaviour. Sure, you'll move 
> the cost away from "clear_user_highpage", but the thing is, you will _not_ 
> move it into the idle time. What you will do is to move it into some 
> random time _after_ the idle time, when the idle thing has crapped all 
> over your caches.

It won't crap out the caches on sparc64 and any platform with cache-bypass-
on-miss stores.  I believe ia64 and opteron have similar mechanisms.

If the store misses the L2 cache it goes straight out to main memory,
it doesn't allocate cache lines anywhere in such cases.

I think ppc/ppc64 has this too... no, sorry, it has the data-cache allocate
line and zero instruction, which isn't what you want here.

> The thing is, you make your cache footprint per CPU _much_ bigger, and you 
> spread it out a lot over time too, so you make it even worse.
> 
> The clearing will then be totally hidden in the profiles, because you will
> have turned a nice and well-behaved "this is there the time goes" profile
> into a mush of "we're taking cache misses at random times, and we don't
> know why".

Therefore, I do not believe any of this is applicable.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-11 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-11 23:15 clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-11 23:31 ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-11 23:55   ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  0:03     ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  1:18       ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  2:11       ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12  9:23         ` clear_user_highpage() Martin Schwidefsky
2004-08-11 23:46 ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-11 23:53   ` David S. Miller [this message]
2004-08-12  0:00     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  0:06       ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  0:24         ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  0:23       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  1:46         ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  2:51           ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-16  1:58         ` clear_user_highpage() Paul Mackerras
2004-08-12  2:08       ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12  2:45         ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  9:09           ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12 19:50             ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12 20:00               ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12 20:30                 ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12 21:34               ` clear_user_highpage() Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-13  8:16                 ` clear_user_highpage() David Mosberger
2004-08-12  0:00   ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  0:21     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  0:46   ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  1:01     ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  2:18     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  2:43       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  4:19         ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  4:46           ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-15  6:22             ` clear_user_highpage() Andrew Morton
2004-08-15  6:38               ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  2:57       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  3:20       ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-13 21:41       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-16 13:00         ` clear_user_highpage() David Mosberger
2004-08-22 19:51           ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2005-09-17 19:01             ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2005-09-17 19:16               ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen

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