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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: torvalds@osdl.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: clear_user_highpage()
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:30:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040812133024.36e5b7ee.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040812220025.27cb260a.ak@suse.de>

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:00:25 +0200
Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:

> Well, the writes are usually faster. While they don't use the 
> cache they use special write combining buffers in the CPU
> that hold the data until it can blast out a full cache. Advantage
> is that it doesn't have to read anything first.

Sure. Sparc64 has this two, in fact is has a full 2K write
cache to absorb all of the cpu's write traffic.

> How effective this is depends on the CPU, in general newer 
> x86s tend to have much larger WC buffers than the previous 
> generation (e.g. Intel just enlarged them again in Prescott) 
> 
> Unlike all other stores on x86 they are also very lazily ordered
> and need explicit memory barriers.

The cache-bypassing 64-byte block stores behave this way
on sparc64.

> This still has the same problem: in the end the data
> is out of cache and when someone else needs it later they eat
> large penalties.

If it was in the cache to begin with, it will stay there.
This is the case the x86_64 bits lose for, they'll kick
the lines out.

If it is out of cache, no L2 cache lines are allocated.  This
is how x86_64 will perform.

I think the "hit" case behavior difference could make a difference.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-12 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-11 23:15 clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-11 23:31 ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-11 23:55   ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  0:03     ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  1:18       ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  2:11       ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12  9:23         ` clear_user_highpage() Martin Schwidefsky
2004-08-11 23:46 ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-11 23:53   ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  0:00     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  0:06       ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  0:24         ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  0:23       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  1:46         ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  2:51           ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-16  1:58         ` clear_user_highpage() Paul Mackerras
2004-08-12  2:08       ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12  2:45         ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  9:09           ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12 19:50             ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12 20:00               ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2004-08-12 20:30                 ` David S. Miller [this message]
2004-08-12 21:34               ` clear_user_highpage() Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-13  8:16                 ` clear_user_highpage() David Mosberger
2004-08-12  0:00   ` clear_user_highpage() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-12  0:21     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  0:46   ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  1:01     ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  2:18     ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  2:43       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  4:19         ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2004-08-12  4:46           ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-15  6:22             ` clear_user_highpage() Andrew Morton
2004-08-15  6:38               ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-12  2:57       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-12  3:20       ` clear_user_highpage() William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-13 21:41       ` clear_user_highpage() David S. Miller
2004-08-16 13:00         ` clear_user_highpage() David Mosberger
2004-08-22 19:51           ` clear_user_highpage() Linus Torvalds
2005-09-17 19:01             ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen
2005-09-17 19:16               ` clear_user_highpage() Andi Kleen

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