From: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>
To: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ?mb() -> smp_?mb() conversion
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:15:57 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200503221015.57732.jbarnes@engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050322160324.GA4980@krispykreme>
On Tuesday, March 22, 2005 8:03 am, Anton Blanchard wrote:
> > > Would it be worth renaming the mb/rmb/wmb to io_mb/io_rmb/io_wmb?
> > > After all, I believe they should only be used to flush I/O memory
> > > accesses. This would, I think, make the distinction between memory
> > > barriers for I/O and memory barriers for SMP more obvious.
> >
> > Are you joking or genuinely confused?
>
> To be fair there are a lot of confused people out there. A few examples:
>
> 1. My original patch showed there are a number of places we use memory
> barriers on UP when not required. Getting rid of mb/rmb/wmb would help
> this, people are unlikely to sprinkle io_mb in the scheduler code :)
>
> 2. drivers/net/typhoon.c
>
> INIT_COMMAND_NO_RESPONSE(cmd, TYPHOON_CMD_HELLO_RESP);
> smp_wmb();
> writel(ring->lastWrite, tp->ioaddr +
> TYPHOON_REG_CMD_READY);
I think this is the same as (3) below, since the first line is writing memory.
So I'd agree that we need an I/O vs. memory barrier of some sort for
platforms like ppc64 where they can be reordered independently.
>
> it looks a lot like smp_wmb is being used to order IO.
>
> 3. On ppc64 we recently had to upgrade our barriers to make sure
> mb/wmb/rmb ordered IO. This is because drivers do this (example taken
> from e1000):
>
> tx_desc->lower.data |= cpu_to_le32(adapter->txd_cmd);
>
> /* Force memory writes to complete before letting h/w
> * know there are new descriptors to fetch. (Only
> * applicable for weak-ordered memory model archs,
> * such as IA-64). */
> wmb();
>
> tx_ring->next_to_use = i;
> E1000_WRITE_REG(&adapter->hw, TDT, i);
>
> Renaming mb/wmb/rmb to io_mb/io_wmb/io_rmb would fit in well here.
Yep.
> 4. Its not clear other architectures are insuring wmb/rmb/mb are
> ordering IO. Checking ia64:
>
> * Note: "mb()" and its variants cannot be used as a fence to order
> * accesses to memory mapped I/O registers. For that, mf.a needs to
> * be used. However, we don't want to always use mf.a because (a)
> * it's (presumably) much slower than mf and (b) mf.a is supported for
> * sequential memory pages only.
Right. And then there's pure I/O ordering, which as James pointed out can be
implemented with mmiowb. So let's see, we have
memory vs. memory writes: smp_wmb()
I/O vs. I/O writes: mmiowb() (and/or io_wmb()?)
memory vs. I/O writes: io_wmb()
right? And for reads:
memory vs. memory reads: smp_rmb
I/O vs. I/O reads: io_rmb()?
memory vs. I/O reads: io_rmb()
Is that an accurate summary?
Jesse
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-22 18:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-03-21 22:59 [PATCH] ?mb() -> smp_?mb() conversion Anton Blanchard
2005-03-21 23:06 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-22 10:43 ` David Howells
2005-03-22 13:13 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-03-22 14:27 ` David Howells
2005-03-22 16:03 ` Anton Blanchard
2005-03-22 16:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-03-22 16:48 ` David Howells
2005-03-22 17:13 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-22 17:44 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-22 18:09 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-22 18:00 ` David Howells
2005-03-22 21:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2005-03-22 18:15 ` Jesse Barnes [this message]
2005-03-22 18:24 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-23 6:23 ` Paul Mackerras
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