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From: Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: What if a TLB flush needed to sleep?
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:47:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080325214725.3d707445@core> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843ECE9DF60-7XlYjKTK0pM64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

> 	down(&ptcg_sem);
> 	... execute ptc.g
> 	up(&ptcg_sem);

That will dig you a nice large hole for real time to fall into. If you
want to do rt nicely you want to avoid semaphores and the corresponding
lack of ability to fix priority inversions.

> 2) Is it feasible to rearrange the MM code so that we don't
> hold any locks while doing a TLB flush?  Or should I implement
> some sort of spin_only_semaphore?

Better to keep ia64 perversions in the IA64 code whenever possible and
lower risk for everyone else.

Alan

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What if a TLB flush needed to sleep?
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:47:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080325214725.3d707445@core> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080325214725.5XOFXopb_sKi3Nwn5Akk5sjeVgnNzw-faKuQm3uygMU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843ECE9DF60@orsmsx424.amr.corp.intel.com>

> 	down(&ptcg_sem);
> 	... execute ptc.g
> 	up(&ptcg_sem);

That will dig you a nice large hole for real time to fall into. If you
want to do rt nicely you want to avoid semaphores and the corresponding
lack of ability to fix priority inversions.

> 2) Is it feasible to rearrange the MM code so that we don't
> hold any locks while doing a TLB flush?  Or should I implement
> some sort of spin_only_semaphore?

Better to keep ia64 perversions in the IA64 code whenever possible and
lower risk for everyone else.

Alan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-25 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-25 20:49 What if a TLB flush needed to sleep? Luck, Tony
2008-03-25 20:49 ` Luck, Tony
     [not found] ` <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843ECE9DF60-7XlYjKTK0pM64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-25 21:47   ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-03-25 21:47     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-26 12:32   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-26 12:32     ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]     ` <20080326123239.GG16721-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-26 20:29       ` Luck, Tony
2008-03-26 20:29         ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]         ` <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843ECE9EB1C-7XlYjKTK0pM64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-27  8:09           ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-27  8:09             ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-27 14:15           ` down_spin() implementation Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-27 14:15             ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]             ` <20080327141508.GL16721-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  0:01               ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  0:01                 ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                 ` <200803281101.25037.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 12:45                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-28 12:45                     ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                     ` <20080328124517.GQ16721-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 21:16                       ` Luck, Tony
2008-03-28 21:16                         ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]                         ` <1FE6DD409037234FAB833C420AA843ECF237C0-7XlYjKTK0pM64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 23:48                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-03-28 23:48                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-03-29  1:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-29  1:04                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:51               ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-03-28  4:51                 ` Stephen Rothwell
     [not found]                 ` <20080328155107.e9d8866c.sfr-3FnU+UHB4dNDw9hX6IcOSA@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  5:03                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  5:03                     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                     ` <200803281603.34134.nickpiggin-/E1597aS9LT0CCvOHzKKcA@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 12:46                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-28 12:46                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-28 12:51               ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-28 12:51                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                 ` <20080328125104.GK12346-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 13:17                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-03-28 13:17                     ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                     ` <20080328131750.GT16721-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 13:24                       ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-28 13:24                         ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-26 19:25   ` What if a TLB flush needed to sleep? Christoph Lameter
2008-03-26 19:25     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803261222090.31000-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-26 20:29       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-03-26 20:29         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]         ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0803262121440.3781-dbfLifZv8x0yMciVaGeJ0d53zsg1cpMQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-27  1:19           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-27  1:19             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803261817110.1115-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-27 13:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-27 13:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-27 18:44                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-27 18:44                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803271143540.7531-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  9:59                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-03-28  9:59                       ` Peter Zijlstra

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