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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	shaggy-V7BBcbaFuwjMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org,
	axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2]: x86: implement pte_special
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:17:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080328041707.GG8083@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080328041519.GF8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 05:15:20AM +0100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 09:09:10PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
> > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:04:42 +0100
> > 
> > > BTW. if you are still interested, then the powerpc64 patch might be a
> > > better starting point for you. I don't know how the sparc tlb flush
> > > design looks like, but if it doesn't do a synchronous IPI to invalidate
> > > other threads, then you can't use the x86 approach.
> > 
> > I have soft bits available on sparc64, that's not my issue.
> > 
> > My issue is that if you implemented this differently, every platform
> > would get the optimization, without having to do anything special
> > at all, and I think that's such a much nicer way.
> 
> Oh, they wouldn't. It is completely tied to the low level details of
> their TLB and pagetable teardown design. That's the unfortunate part
> about it.
> 
> The other thing is that the "how do I know if I can refcount the page
> behind this (mm,vaddr,pte) tuple" can be quite arch specific as well.
> And it is also non-trivial to do because that information can be dynamic
> depending on what driver mapped in that given tuple.
> 
> It is *possible*, but not trivial.

And, btw, you'd still have to implement the actual fast_gup completely
in arch code. So once you do that, you are free not to use pte_special
for it anyway.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, shaggy@austin.ibm.com,
	axboe@oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2]: x86: implement pte_special
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:17:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080328041707.GG8083@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080328041707.ML3yupSmkKab9F3LRdyS7bAIdSOwRsyRvmnZO2Si3nU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080328041519.GF8083@wotan.suse.de>

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 05:15:20AM +0100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 09:09:10PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
> > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:04:42 +0100
> > 
> > > BTW. if you are still interested, then the powerpc64 patch might be a
> > > better starting point for you. I don't know how the sparc tlb flush
> > > design looks like, but if it doesn't do a synchronous IPI to invalidate
> > > other threads, then you can't use the x86 approach.
> > 
> > I have soft bits available on sparc64, that's not my issue.
> > 
> > My issue is that if you implemented this differently, every platform
> > would get the optimization, without having to do anything special
> > at all, and I think that's such a much nicer way.
> 
> Oh, they wouldn't. It is completely tied to the low level details of
> their TLB and pagetable teardown design. That's the unfortunate part
> about it.
> 
> The other thing is that the "how do I know if I can refcount the page
> behind this (mm,vaddr,pte) tuple" can be quite arch specific as well.
> And it is also non-trivial to do because that information can be dynamic
> depending on what driver mapped in that given tuple.
> 
> It is *possible*, but not trivial.

And, btw, you'd still have to implement the actual fast_gup completely
in arch code. So once you do that, you are free not to use pte_special
for it anyway.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-28  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-28  2:54 [patch 0/2]: lockless get_user_pages patchset Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  2:54 ` Nick Piggin
     [not found] ` <20080328025455.GA8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  2:55   ` [patch 1/2]: x86: implement pte_special Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  2:55     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]     ` <20080328025541.GB8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:23       ` David Miller
2008-03-28  3:23         ` David Miller
     [not found]         ` <20080327.202334.250213398.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:31           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:31             ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]             ` <20080328033149.GD8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:44               ` David Miller
2008-03-28  3:44                 ` David Miller
     [not found]                 ` <20080327.204431.201380891.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:04                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:04                     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                     ` <20080328040442.GE8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:09                       ` David Miller
2008-03-28  4:09                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                         ` <20080327.210910.101408473.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:15                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:15                             ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                             ` <20080328041519.GF8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:16                               ` David Miller
2008-03-28  4:16                                 ` David Miller
     [not found]                                 ` <20080327.211632.02770342.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:19                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:17                               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-03-28  4:17                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:00   ` [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:00     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]     ` <20080328030023.GC8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 10:01       ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-28 10:01         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-17 15:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 15:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 15:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 15:25           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]           ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170814090.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 16:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170916470.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 16:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170940270.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 17:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 17:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 18:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 18:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804171127310.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  3:14                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  3:14                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-18  6:31                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-04-18  6:31                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-04-18 14:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18 14:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18  9:58               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-18  9:58                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-21 12:00             ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 12:00               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]               ` <480C81C4.8030200-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-21 12:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 12:30                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 13:26                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 13:26                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <480C9619.2050201-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-21 14:35                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 14:35                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  3:23                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  3:23                           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                           ` <20080422032319.GB21993-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  7:19                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22  7:19                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22  8:07                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  8:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  9:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  9:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  9:46         ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  9:46           ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-14 18:33           ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-05-15  1:13             ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-05-21 11:59 [patch 1/2] x86: implement pte_special Nick Piggin
2008-05-25 14:48 Nick Piggin

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