From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
sam-uyr5N9Q2VtJg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:08:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423070819.GU12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423011153.GB17572-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:50:30PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > ok. In which case the reschedule vector could be consolidated into that
> > > as well (it's just a special single-CPU call). Then there would be no
> > > new vector allocations needed at all, just the renaming of
> > > RESCHEDULE_VECTOR to something more generic.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Btw, don't get me wrong - I'm not against multiple vectors per se. I just
> > wonder if there is any real reason for the code duplication.
> >
> > And there certainly *can* be tons of valid reasons for it. For example,
> > some of the LAPIC can only have something like two pending interrupts per
> > vector, and after that IPI's would get lost.
> >
> > However, since the queuing is actually done with the data structures, I
> > don't think it matters for the IPI's - they don't need any hardware
> > queuing at all, afaik, since even if two IPI's would be merged into one
> > (due to lack of hw queueing) the IPI handling code still has its list of
> > events, so it doesn't matter.
> >
> > And performance can be a valid reason ("too expensive to check the shared
> > queue if we only have per-cpu events"), although I$ issues can cause that
> > argument to go both ways.
> >
> > I was also wondering whether there are deadlock issues (ie one type of IPI
> > has to complete even if a lock is held for the other type).
> >
> > So I don't dislike the patch per se, I just wanted to understand _why_ the
> > IPI's wanted separate vectors.
>
> The "too expensive to check the shared queue" is one aspect of it. The
> shared queue need not have events *for us* (at least, unless Jens has
> changed the implementation a bit) but it can still have events that we
> would need to check through.
That is still the case, the loop works the same way still.
To answer Linus' question on why it was done the way it was - the
thought of sharing the IPI just didn't occur to me. For performance
reasons I'd like to keep the current setup, but it's certainly a viable
alternative for archs with limited number of IPIs available (like the
mips case that Ralf has disclosed).
--
Jens Axboe
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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
peterz@infradead.org, sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:08:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423070819.GU12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080423070821.OD6uhIMRwLWR9WYdL7Z3JarCyJZ4DyxOTQVMPAfdyMs@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423011153.GB17572@wotan.suse.de>
On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 12:50:30PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > ok. In which case the reschedule vector could be consolidated into that
> > > as well (it's just a special single-CPU call). Then there would be no
> > > new vector allocations needed at all, just the renaming of
> > > RESCHEDULE_VECTOR to something more generic.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > Btw, don't get me wrong - I'm not against multiple vectors per se. I just
> > wonder if there is any real reason for the code duplication.
> >
> > And there certainly *can* be tons of valid reasons for it. For example,
> > some of the LAPIC can only have something like two pending interrupts per
> > vector, and after that IPI's would get lost.
> >
> > However, since the queuing is actually done with the data structures, I
> > don't think it matters for the IPI's - they don't need any hardware
> > queuing at all, afaik, since even if two IPI's would be merged into one
> > (due to lack of hw queueing) the IPI handling code still has its list of
> > events, so it doesn't matter.
> >
> > And performance can be a valid reason ("too expensive to check the shared
> > queue if we only have per-cpu events"), although I$ issues can cause that
> > argument to go both ways.
> >
> > I was also wondering whether there are deadlock issues (ie one type of IPI
> > has to complete even if a lock is held for the other type).
> >
> > So I don't dislike the patch per se, I just wanted to understand _why_ the
> > IPI's wanted separate vectors.
>
> The "too expensive to check the shared queue" is one aspect of it. The
> shared queue need not have events *for us* (at least, unless Jens has
> changed the implementation a bit) but it can still have events that we
> would need to check through.
That is still the case, the loop works the same way still.
To answer Linus' question on why it was done the way it was - the
thought of sharing the IPI just didn't occur to me. For performance
reasons I'd like to keep the current setup, but it's certainly a viable
alternative for archs with limited number of IPIs available (like the
mips case that Ralf has disclosed).
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-23 7:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-22 18:50 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() #2 Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208890227-24808-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 1/11] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208890227-24808-2-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 20:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22 20:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23 6:07 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 6:07 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080423060725.GT12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 6:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23 6:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23 7:49 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 7:49 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080423074933.GB12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 7:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23 7:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-24 22:01 ` Russell King
2008-04-24 22:01 ` Russell King
[not found] ` <20080424220157.GA26179-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25 7:18 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25 7:18 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080425071823.GF12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26 6:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 6:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <4812CB99.1070600-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28 7:38 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-04-28 7:38 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-04-26 6:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-26 6:11 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20080425231100.b93a1601.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26 14:13 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-26 14:13 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 0:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-27 0:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20080427005816.GB21687-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 10:36 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:36 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:30 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:30 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1209219236.3113.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28 14:25 ` David Howells
2008-04-28 14:25 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <18470.1209392727-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28 14:43 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 14:43 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:03 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221157220.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:12 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080422191213.GA6370-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:26 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080422192601.GB12588-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:50 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221244350.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 1:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23 1:11 ` Nick Piggin
[not found] ` <20080423011153.GB17572-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 1:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23 1:22 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221817050.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 1:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23 1:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23 7:08 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-04-23 7:08 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:54 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208890227-24808-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26 6:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 6:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <4812CF5B.4080902-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 10:23 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:23 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080427102335.GS12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 15:18 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-27 15:18 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 3/11] powerpc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 4/11] ia64: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 5/11] alpha: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 6/11] arm: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 7/11] m32r: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 8/11] mips: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 23:18 ` Ralf Baechle
2008-04-22 23:18 ` Ralf Baechle
2008-04-23 7:18 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 7:18 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 9/11] parisc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 10/11] sh: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208890227-24808-11-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25 8:56 ` Paul Mundt
2008-04-25 8:56 ` Paul Mundt
[not found] ` <20080425085637.GA30569-M7jkjyW5wf5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25 9:16 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25 9:16 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` [PATCH 11/11] s390: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208890227-24808-12-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 7:58 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23 7:58 ` Heiko Carstens
[not found] ` <20080423075831.GB15850-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 8:11 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 8:11 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080423081147.GC12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:21 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 11:21 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080423112124.GJ12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:47 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23 11:47 ` Heiko Carstens
[not found] ` <20080423114744.GA29422-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 11:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:42 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-23 12:42 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-23 15:56 ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-23 15:56 ` Rusty Russell
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-22 7:57 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() and friends Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208851058-8500-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 7:57 ` [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 7:57 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1208851058-8500-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 8:38 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-22 8:38 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20080422083810.GA23540-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 8:43 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 8:43 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080422084315.GT12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 8:47 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080422084738.GB2388-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 8:48 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-04-22 8:48 ` Jacek Luczak
[not found] ` <480DA670.4060707-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 8:56 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 8:56 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080422085629.GV12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 9:04 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-04-22 9:04 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-04-22 8:52 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 8:52 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-26 8:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26 8:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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