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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
	sam-uyr5N9Q2VtJg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky
	<schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] s390: convert to generic helpers for IPI  function calls
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:54:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423115430.GK12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423114744.GA29422-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> > > > Your generic patch changes semantics of smp_call_function(). At least the
> > > > s390 version of smp_call_function() mask used to not return unless all IPIs
> > > > where received on the target cpus.
> > > > Your patch changes that. It will already return as soon as all IPIs have
> > > > been sent. Unfortunately Martin's etr code in arch/s390/kernel/time.c
> > > 
> > > Yep, this is what I mentioned in the intro mail.
> > > 
> > > > relies on exactly the old semantics.
> > > 
> > > OK, I could not see anything which relied on that and I did think that
> > > it was a somewhat odd interface. By the time that smp_call_function()
> > > stops waiting for startups, we could easily be in the condition that the
> > > N-1 CPUs executed the function part a long time ago. I just didn't see
> > > much usefulness in that, you may as well just set wait == 1 in that
> > > case.
> > > 
> > > > Since this seems to be an s390 only issue, could you just drop the s390
> > > > conversion patch? We'll have to think about how to change the err code
> > > > and convert later I guess.
> > > 
> > > I'll drop the s390 bits. I can easily add something like
> > > smp_call_function_foo() that has this behaviour.
> > 
> > I added an smp_call_function_sync() for this purpose and kept the s390
> > conversion, I would very much appreciate if you could look it over. I
> > wont post the full patchset again today, but you can inspect it here:
> > 
> > http://git.kernel.dk/?p=linux-2.6-block.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/generic-ipi
> > 
> > The interesting bits are patch #1 for the generic bits and patch #11 for
> > the s390 part. Thanks!
> 
> I don't think that works: the old code also relied on the fact that there
> could be only one cpu sending an smp_call_* IPI (serialized by call_lock).
> The current etr code exploits that to serialize all cpus:
> 
> Do smp_call_function() to force all other cpus into clock_sync_cpu_start()
> where they sort of busy wait(!). Then the master cpu is syncing the clock
> and when it finished the other cpus may continue again and finally leave
> the smp_call_function interrupt handler.
> 
> Your patch series however doesn't make sure anymore that there is only
> one cpu doing an smp_call_function*, so we may deadlock as soon as two
> cpus are trying to synchronize all cpus this way.
> After all I think the etr code should be converted to use stop_machine_run
> instead. However that doesn't allow for master/slave cpus.

You are right. I'll drop the code again, it would be nice to get rid of
this interface, I guess s390 can do that when they convert to the
generic helpers.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	npiggin@suse.de, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, sam@ravnborg.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] s390: convert to generic helpers for IPI  function calls
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:54:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423115430.GK12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080423115431.ecQxFqRN0mjKGOgOO6ryCI95KT8z8I8gmazy72ZHyWs@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423114744.GA29422@osiris.boeblingen.de.ibm.com>

On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> > > > Your generic patch changes semantics of smp_call_function(). At least the
> > > > s390 version of smp_call_function() mask used to not return unless all IPIs
> > > > where received on the target cpus.
> > > > Your patch changes that. It will already return as soon as all IPIs have
> > > > been sent. Unfortunately Martin's etr code in arch/s390/kernel/time.c
> > > 
> > > Yep, this is what I mentioned in the intro mail.
> > > 
> > > > relies on exactly the old semantics.
> > > 
> > > OK, I could not see anything which relied on that and I did think that
> > > it was a somewhat odd interface. By the time that smp_call_function()
> > > stops waiting for startups, we could easily be in the condition that the
> > > N-1 CPUs executed the function part a long time ago. I just didn't see
> > > much usefulness in that, you may as well just set wait == 1 in that
> > > case.
> > > 
> > > > Since this seems to be an s390 only issue, could you just drop the s390
> > > > conversion patch? We'll have to think about how to change the err code
> > > > and convert later I guess.
> > > 
> > > I'll drop the s390 bits. I can easily add something like
> > > smp_call_function_foo() that has this behaviour.
> > 
> > I added an smp_call_function_sync() for this purpose and kept the s390
> > conversion, I would very much appreciate if you could look it over. I
> > wont post the full patchset again today, but you can inspect it here:
> > 
> > http://git.kernel.dk/?p=linux-2.6-block.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/generic-ipi
> > 
> > The interesting bits are patch #1 for the generic bits and patch #11 for
> > the s390 part. Thanks!
> 
> I don't think that works: the old code also relied on the fact that there
> could be only one cpu sending an smp_call_* IPI (serialized by call_lock).
> The current etr code exploits that to serialize all cpus:
> 
> Do smp_call_function() to force all other cpus into clock_sync_cpu_start()
> where they sort of busy wait(!). Then the master cpu is syncing the clock
> and when it finished the other cpus may continue again and finally leave
> the smp_call_function interrupt handler.
> 
> Your patch series however doesn't make sure anymore that there is only
> one cpu doing an smp_call_function*, so we may deadlock as soon as two
> cpus are trying to synchronize all cpus this way.
> After all I think the etr code should be converted to use stop_machine_run
> instead. However that doesn't allow for master/slave cpus.

You are right. I'll drop the code again, it would be nice to get rid of
this interface, I guess s390 can do that when they convert to the
generic helpers.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-23 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-22 18:50 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() #2 Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found] ` <1208890227-24808-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 1/11] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1208890227-24808-2-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 20:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22 20:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  6:07         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  6:07           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]           ` <20080423060725.GT12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  6:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  6:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  7:49               ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  7:49                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                 ` <20080423074933.GB12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  7:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-23  7:50                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-24 22:01       ` Russell King
2008-04-24 22:01         ` Russell King
     [not found]         ` <20080424220157.GA26179-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25  7:18           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25  7:18             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20080425071823.GF12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26  6:28               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26  6:28                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <4812CB99.1070600-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28  7:38                   ` Jes Sorensen
2008-04-28  7:38                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-04-26  6:11       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-26  6:11         ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]         ` <20080425231100.b93a1601.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26 14:13           ` James Bottomley
2008-04-26 14:13             ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27  0:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-27  0:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]             ` <20080427005816.GB21687-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 10:36               ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:36                 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:30           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:30             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]         ` <1209219236.3113.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28 14:25           ` David Howells
2008-04-28 14:25             ` David Howells
     [not found]             ` <18470.1209392727-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-28 14:43               ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 14:43                 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 2/11] x86: convert to generic helpers for " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 19:03     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:03       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]       ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221157220.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:12         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]           ` <20080422191213.GA6370-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 19:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20080422192601.GB12588-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22 19:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 19:50                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221244350.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  1:11                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23  1:11                         ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                         ` <20080423011153.GB17572-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  1:22                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-23  1:22                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804221817050.2779-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  1:36                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23  1:36                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-23  7:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  7:08                             ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:54         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:54           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1208890227-24808-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-26  6:44       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-26  6:44         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]         ` <4812CF5B.4080902-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 10:23           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-27 10:23             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20080427102335.GS12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 15:18               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-27 15:18                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 3/11] powerpc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 4/11] ia64: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 5/11] alpha: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 6/11] arm: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 7/11] m32r: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 8/11] mips: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 23:18     ` Ralf Baechle
2008-04-22 23:18       ` Ralf Baechle
2008-04-23  7:18       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  7:18         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 9/11] parisc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 10/11] sh: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1208890227-24808-11-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25  8:56       ` Paul Mundt
2008-04-25  8:56         ` Paul Mundt
     [not found]         ` <20080425085637.GA30569-M7jkjyW5wf5g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-25  9:16           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25  9:16             ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50   ` [PATCH 11/11] s390: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-22 18:50     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1208890227-24808-12-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  7:58       ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23  7:58         ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]         ` <20080423075831.GB15850-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23  8:11           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23  8:11             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20080423081147.GC12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:21               ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 11:21                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                 ` <20080423112124.GJ12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:47                   ` Heiko Carstens
2008-04-23 11:47                     ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]                     ` <20080423114744.GA29422-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-23 11:54                       ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-04-23 11:54                         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-23 12:42                       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-23 12:42                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-23 15:56                         ` Rusty Russell
2008-04-23 15:56                           ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-22  7:57 [PATCH 0/11] Generic smp_call_function() and friends Jens Axboe
     [not found] ` <1208851058-8500-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  7:57   ` [PATCH 11/11] s390: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  7:57     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1208851058-8500-12-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  8:04       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-22  8:04         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-04-22  8:07         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  8:07           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  7:57   ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-22  7:57     ` Jens Axboe

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