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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam-uyr5N9Q2VtJg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux arch <linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
	David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:32:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427183252.GB23828@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271118500.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:24:28AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The thing is, the "inline" vs "always_inline" thing _could_ make sense, 
> but sadly doesn't much.
> 
> Part of it is that gcc imnsho inlines too aggressively anyway in the 
> absense of "inline", so there's no way "inline" can mean "you might 
> inline" this, because gcc will do that anyway even without it. As a 
> result, in _practice_ "inline" and "always_inline" end up being very close 
> to each other - perhaps more so than they should.

Yes, absolutely.   In recent gcc versions it's in fact so bad that xfs
had to add a hack to mark every function not explicitly marker inline
noinline because otherwise gcc would inline gazillions of big functions
which combines with it's horrible liveness analysis led to enormous
stack useage.  (I think the liveness part is getting better these days
to be fair)

> It will take time before we've sorted out all the fall-out, because I bet 
> there is still code out there that _should_ use __always_inline, but 
> doesn't.

Given that __always_inline only shows up in non-x86 arch code in
homeopathic quantity it's a fair bet that there's a lot of breakage
waiting there.  Which was one of the initial complains about the way
it's done..

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	linux arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:32:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427183252.GB23828@infradead.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080427183252.CrV6kwtLQG1ORQW01BIkI6rgmab8oxLjqYouvI-MkQI@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271118500.2896@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:24:28AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The thing is, the "inline" vs "always_inline" thing _could_ make sense, 
> but sadly doesn't much.
> 
> Part of it is that gcc imnsho inlines too aggressively anyway in the 
> absense of "inline", so there's no way "inline" can mean "you might 
> inline" this, because gcc will do that anyway even without it. As a 
> result, in _practice_ "inline" and "always_inline" end up being very close 
> to each other - perhaps more so than they should.

Yes, absolutely.   In recent gcc versions it's in fact so bad that xfs
had to add a hack to mark every function not explicitly marker inline
noinline because otherwise gcc would inline gazillions of big functions
which combines with it's horrible liveness analysis led to enormous
stack useage.  (I think the liveness part is getting better these days
to be fair)

> It will take time before we've sorted out all the fall-out, because I bet 
> there is still code out there that _should_ use __always_inline, but 
> doesn't.

Given that __always_inline only shows up in non-x86 arch code in
homeopathic quantity it's a fair bet that there's a lot of breakage
waiting there.  Which was one of the initial complains about the way
it's done..

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-27 10:51 [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 10:51 ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found] ` <20080427105100.GA14795-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 11:31   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 11:31     ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]     ` <20080427113158.GY2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 11:56       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 11:56         ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found]         ` <20080427115603.GA23493-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 12:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 12:36             ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20080427123642.GA28005-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 12:49               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 12:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 17:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:06         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271002360.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:22           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:22             ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]             ` <20080427172235.GA2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271029130.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:47                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:47                     ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                     ` <20080427174714.GB2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                         ` <20080427180007.GB28483-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:09                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:09                             ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found]                             ` <20080427180957.GA25964-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:14                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:14                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                 ` <20080427181411.GA31667-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:24                                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271118500.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:32                                       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2008-04-27 18:32                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 19:36                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 19:36                                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                         ` <20080427193627.GA32654-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 19:49                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 19:49                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 23:26                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:26                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                                         ` <20080427162606.3dd82c0c-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 23:36                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 23:36                                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271634490.3119-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 23:41                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:41                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 18:31                                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:31                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found]                                     ` <20080427183131.GA26937-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:36                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:36                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:11                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:11                         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271053300.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:25                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:25                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                             ` <20080427182544.GA23828-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:30                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:41                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 18:41                             ` Adrian Bunk
     [not found]                             ` <20080427184106.GD2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:57                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:57                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 20:51                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-27 20:51                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-27 17:57                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 17:57                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 17:40               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-27 17:40                 ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                 ` <20080427174055.GS14990-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:59                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:59                     ` Adrian Bunk

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