From: Adrian Bunk <bunk-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam-uyr5N9Q2VtJg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
linux arch <linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:41:06 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427184106.GD2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271053300.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:11:27AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> > What I want instead:
> > - we continue to force the compiler to always inline with "inline"
> > - we remove the inline's in .c files and make too big functions in
> > headers out-of-line
>
> Sure, I can agree with that as a mostly good goal, but you're still
> ignoring the fact that nobody should really expect the compiler to always
> do a good job at deciding high-level issues.
>
> For example, what's wrong with having "inline" on functions in .c files if
> the author thinks they are small enough? He's likely right. Considering
> past behaviour, he's quite often more right than the compiler.
>...
Ingo's commit in your tree just broke this assumption.
And he justified breaking it with a 2.3% size decrease.
And after
- grep'ing for "inline" through drivers/
- remembering how driver authors use likely/unlikely
- remembering the practically non-existing quality criteria you set
for new drivers [1]
"He's likely right." is likely not right for the average driver author.
You might be smarter than gcc, but most kernel developers (including me)
are not.
> Linus
cu
Adrian
[1] you said you really wanted this driver merged in this state in 2.6.25:
grep -C4 volatile drivers/infiniband/hw/nes/nes_nic.c
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
linux arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:41:06 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080427184106.GD2252@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080427184106.jTCeV4ZiC9XWMqlPGaXbM65MfCYD0wpQON2KLTjsaTE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271053300.2896@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:11:27AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> > What I want instead:
> > - we continue to force the compiler to always inline with "inline"
> > - we remove the inline's in .c files and make too big functions in
> > headers out-of-line
>
> Sure, I can agree with that as a mostly good goal, but you're still
> ignoring the fact that nobody should really expect the compiler to always
> do a good job at deciding high-level issues.
>
> For example, what's wrong with having "inline" on functions in .c files if
> the author thinks they are small enough? He's likely right. Considering
> past behaviour, he's quite often more right than the compiler.
>...
Ingo's commit in your tree just broke this assumption.
And he justified breaking it with a 2.3% size decrease.
And after
- grep'ing for "inline" through drivers/
- remembering how driver authors use likely/unlikely
- remembering the practically non-existing quality criteria you set
for new drivers [1]
"He's likely right." is likely not right for the average driver author.
You might be smarter than gcc, but most kernel developers (including me)
are not.
> Linus
cu
Adrian
[1] you said you really wanted this driver merged in this state in 2.6.25:
grep -C4 volatile drivers/infiniband/hw/nes/nes_nic.c
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-27 18:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-27 10:51 [PATCH] prepare kconfig inline optimization for all architectures Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 10:51 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20080427105100.GA14795-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 11:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 11:31 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20080427113158.GY2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 11:56 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 11:56 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20080427115603.GA23493-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080427123642.GA28005-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 12:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 12:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271002360.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:22 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20080427172235.GA2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271029130.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:47 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20080427174714.GB2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20080427180007.GB28483-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:09 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:09 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20080427180957.GA25964-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20080427181411.GA31667-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271118500.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 19:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 19:36 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080427193627.GA32654-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 19:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 19:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 23:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
[not found] ` <20080427162606.3dd82c0c-NIQFrBLA1CpScpXdPBN83iCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 23:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 23:36 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271634490.3119-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 23:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 18:31 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-04-27 18:31 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20080427183131.GA26937-QabhHTsIXMSnlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804271053300.2896-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20080427182544.GA23828-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:41 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-27 18:41 ` Adrian Bunk
[not found] ` <20080427184106.GD2252-Aar9JVdAhcRoA3hw4S0G5QR5/fbUUdgG@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 18:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-27 20:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-27 20:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-27 17:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 17:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-27 17:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-27 17:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
[not found] ` <20080427174055.GS14990-6jwH94ZQLHl74goWV3ctuw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-27 17:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-27 17:59 ` Adrian Bunk
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