From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org,
npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org,
linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org,
paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/10] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080430113542.GZ12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <481786A5.7010604-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, Apr 29 2008, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> >-int xen_smp_call_function_mask(cpumask_t mask, void (*func)(void *),
> >- void *info, int wait)
> >
> [...]
> >- /* Send a message to other CPUs and wait for them to respond */
> >- xen_send_IPI_mask(mask, XEN_CALL_FUNCTION_VECTOR);
> >-
> >- /* Make sure other vcpus get a chance to run if they need to. */
> >- yield = false;
> >- for_each_cpu_mask(cpu, mask)
> >- if (xen_vcpu_stolen(cpu))
> >- yield = true;
> >-
> >- if (yield)
> >- HYPERVISOR_sched_op(SCHEDOP_yield, 0);
> >
>
> I added this to deal with the case where you're sending an IPI to
> another VCPU which isn't currently running on a real cpu. In this case
> you could end up spinning while the other VCPU is waiting for a real CPU
> to run on. (Basically the same problem that spinlocks have in a virtual
> environment.)
>
> However, this is at best a partial solution to the problem, and I never
> benchmarked if it really makes a difference. Since any other virtual
> environment would have the same problem, its best if we can solve it
> generically. (Of course a synchronous single-target cross-cpu call is a
> simple cross-cpu rpc, which could be implemented very efficiently in the
> host/hypervisor by simply doing a vcpu context switch...)
So, what would your advice be? Seems safe enough to ignore for now and
attack it if it becomes a real problem.
--
Jens Axboe
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
npiggin@suse.de, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/10] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:35:42 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080430113542.GZ12774@kernel.dk> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080430113542.nOl_wQD_5uYDRw_IhQfBiP-9TVBeyF3nCxeOyIeug1Y@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <481786A5.7010604@goop.org>
On Tue, Apr 29 2008, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Jens Axboe wrote:
> >-int xen_smp_call_function_mask(cpumask_t mask, void (*func)(void *),
> >- void *info, int wait)
> >
> [...]
> >- /* Send a message to other CPUs and wait for them to respond */
> >- xen_send_IPI_mask(mask, XEN_CALL_FUNCTION_VECTOR);
> >-
> >- /* Make sure other vcpus get a chance to run if they need to. */
> >- yield = false;
> >- for_each_cpu_mask(cpu, mask)
> >- if (xen_vcpu_stolen(cpu))
> >- yield = true;
> >-
> >- if (yield)
> >- HYPERVISOR_sched_op(SCHEDOP_yield, 0);
> >
>
> I added this to deal with the case where you're sending an IPI to
> another VCPU which isn't currently running on a real cpu. In this case
> you could end up spinning while the other VCPU is waiting for a real CPU
> to run on. (Basically the same problem that spinlocks have in a virtual
> environment.)
>
> However, this is at best a partial solution to the problem, and I never
> benchmarked if it really makes a difference. Since any other virtual
> environment would have the same problem, its best if we can solve it
> generically. (Of course a synchronous single-target cross-cpu call is a
> simple cross-cpu rpc, which could be implemented very efficiently in the
> host/hypervisor by simply doing a vcpu context switch...)
So, what would your advice be? Seems safe enough to ignore for now and
attack it if it becomes a real problem.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-30 11:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-29 7:26 [PATCH 0/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls #3 Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1209453990-7735-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 1/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1209453990-7735-2-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-29 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20080429135936.GC12390-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 11:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20080430112934.GA23203-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:34 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 11:34 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080430113456.GY12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 12:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20080430121712.GR11126-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:37 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 12:37 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080430123717.GC12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-01 2:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-01 2:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 2:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 2:12 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-02 12:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-02 12:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-02 14:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 14:21 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-03 2:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-03 5:49 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-03 18:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-04 22:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-05 4:15 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 4:15 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 17:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-07 20:42 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-08 4:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:50 ` Keith Owens
2008-05-02 13:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 22:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 22:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 2/10] x86: convert to generic helpers for " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1209453990-7735-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29 20:35 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29 20:35 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <481786A5.7010604-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:35 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-04-30 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080430113542.GZ12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 12:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
[not found] ` <20080430122001.GS11126-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:31 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 12:31 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20080430123136.GB12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 14:51 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 14:51 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 21:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 21:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 3/10] powerpc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 4/10] ia64: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 5/10] alpha: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 6/10] arm: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 7/10] m32r: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 8/10] mips: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 9/10] parisc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` [PATCH 10/10] sh: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29 7:26 ` Jens Axboe
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-05-29 8:58 [PATCH 0/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls #4 Jens Axboe
2008-05-29 8:58 ` [PATCH 2/10] x86: convert to generic helpers for IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-05-29 12:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-29 12:17 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-29 13:47 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
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