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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	jeremy@goop.org, mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 19:30:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080503023006.GA586@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080502142139.GA7599@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 07:21:39AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 02:59:29PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 05:42 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > 
> > > And here is one scenario that makes me doubt that my imagination is
> > > faulty:
> > > 
> > > 1.	CPU 0 disables irqs.
> > > 
> > > 2.	CPU 1 disables irqs.
> > > 
> > > 3.	CPU 0 invokes smp_call_function().  But CPU 1 will never respond
> > > 	because its irqs are disabled.
> > > 
> > > 4.	CPU 1 invokes smp_call_function().  But CPU 0 will never respond
> > > 	because its irqs are disabled.
> > > 
> > > Looks like inherent deadlock to me, requiring that smp_call_function()
> > > be invoked with irqs enabled.
> > > 
> > > So, what am I missing here?
> > 
> > The wish to do it anyway ;-)
> > 
> > I can imagine some situations where I'd like to try anyway and fall back
> > to a slower path when failing.
> > 
> > With the initial design we would simply allocate data, stick it on the
> > queue and call the ipi (when needed).
> > 
> > This is perfectly deadlock free when wait=0 and it just returns -ENOMEM
> > on allocation failure.
> > 
> > It it doesn't return -ENOMEM I know its been queued and will be
> > processed at some point, if it does fail, I can deal with it in another
> > way.
> > 
> > I know I'd like to do that and I suspect Nick has a few use cases up his
> > sleeve as well.
> 
> OK, so one approach would be to check for irqs being disabled,
> perhaps as follows, on top of my previous patch:
> 
> 		struct call_single_data *data = NULL;
> 
> 		if (!wait) {
> 			data = kmalloc(sizeof(*data), GFP_ATOMIC);
> 			if (data)
> 				data->flags = CSD_FLAG_ALLOC;
> 		}
> 		if (!data) {
> 			if (unlikely(irqs_disabled())) {
> 				put_cpu();
> 				return -ENOMEM;
> 			}
> 			data = &d;
> 			data->flags = CSD_FLAG_WAIT;
> 		}
> 
> 		data->func = func;
> 		data->info = info;
> 		generic_exec_single(cpu, data);
> 
> That would prevent -ENOMEM unless you invoked the function with irqs
> disabled.  So normal callers would still see the current failure-free
> semantics -- you really don't want to be inflicting failure when not
> necessary, right?
> 
> There could only be one irq-disabled caller at a time, which could be
> handled using a trylock, returning -EBUSY if the lock is already held.
> Otherwise, you end up with the scenario called out above (which Keith
> Ownens pointed out some years ago).
> 
> Does this approach make sense?

Actually, no...  The irq-disabled callers would need to acquire the
spinlock -before- disabling irqs, otherwise we end up right back in
the deadlock scenario.

						Thanx, Paul

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-03  4:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-29  7:26 [PATCH 0/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls #3 Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found] ` <1209453990-7735-1-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 1/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1209453990-7735-2-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29 13:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-29 13:59         ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]         ` <20080429135936.GC12390-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:29           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 11:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]             ` <20080430112934.GA23203-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:34               ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 11:34                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                 ` <20080430113456.GY12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:17                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 12:17                     ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                     ` <20080430121712.GR11126-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:37                       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 12:37                         ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                         ` <20080430123717.GC12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-01  2:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-01  2:44                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02  2:02                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02  2:12                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-02 12:29                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:42                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:59                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-02 12:59                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-02 14:21                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 14:21                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-03  2:30                                     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2008-05-03  5:49                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-03 18:11                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-04 22:04                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-05  4:15                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-05  4:15                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 17:43                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-07 20:42                                           ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-08  4:36                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-02 12:50                               ` Keith Owens
2008-05-02 13:09                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 22:56       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 22:56         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 2/10] x86: convert to generic helpers for " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]     ` <1209453990-7735-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-29 20:35       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29 20:35         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]         ` <481786A5.7010604-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 11:35           ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 11:35             ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]             ` <20080430113542.GZ12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:20               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-04-30 12:20                 ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                 ` <20080430122001.GS11126-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 12:31                   ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-30 12:31                     ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                     ` <20080430123136.GB12774-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 14:51                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 14:51                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 21:39       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-30 21:39         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 3/10] powerpc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 4/10] ia64: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 5/10] alpha: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 6/10] arm: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 7/10] m32r: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 8/10] mips: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 9/10] parisc: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26   ` [PATCH 10/10] sh: " Jens Axboe
2008-04-29  7:26     ` Jens Axboe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-05-29  8:58 [PATCH 0/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls #4 Jens Axboe
2008-05-29  8:58 ` [PATCH 1/10] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls Jens Axboe
2008-05-30 11:24   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-06-06  8:44     ` Jens Axboe
2008-06-10 14:51   ` Catalin Marinas
2008-06-10 15:44     ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 16:04       ` Catalin Marinas
2008-06-10 15:47     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-06-10 16:53       ` Catalin Marinas
2008-06-11  3:25         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 10:13           ` Catalin Marinas
2008-06-11 10:13             ` Catalin Marinas
2008-07-06 17:21   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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