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From: Jeremy Higdon <jeremy@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, scottwood@freescale.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tpiepho@freescale.com,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:15:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080603081552.GC117059@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200806031433.12460.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:33:11PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Monday 02 June 2008 19:56, Jes Sorensen wrote:
> > Jeremy Higdon wrote:
> > > We don't actually have that problem on the Altix.  All writes issued
> > > by CPU X will be ordered with respect to each other.  But writes by
> > > CPU X and CPU Y will not be, unless an mmiowb() is done by the
> > > original CPU before the second CPU writes.  I.e.
> > >
> > > 	CPU X	writel
> > > 	CPU X	writel
> > > 	CPU X	mmiowb
> > >
> > > 	CPU Y	writel
> > > 	...
> > >
> > > Note that this implies some sort of locking.  Also note that if in
> > > the above, CPU Y did the mmiowb, that would not work.
> >
> > Hmmm,
> >
> > Then it's less bad than I thought - my apologies for the confusion.
> >
> > Would we be able to use Ben's trick of setting a per cpu flag in
> > writel() then and checking that in spin unlock issuing the mmiowb()
> > there if needed?
> 
> Yes you could, but your writels would still not be strongly ordered
> within (or outside) spinlock regions, which is what Linus wants (and
> I kind of agree with).

Yes they would be.  Writes from the same CPU are always ordered.  Writes
from different CPUs are not, but that's only a concern if you protect
writing via some sort of lock.  If the lock release forces a barrier,
that should take care of the problem.

jeremy

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeremy Higdon <jeremy@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tpiepho@freescale.com, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	scottwood@freescale.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:15:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080603081552.GC117059@sgi.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080603081552.z2_Au8Bk8AQ3G6PiAHzuGHAAj9lGis_pgoNZuNUdPMo@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200806031433.12460.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:33:11PM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Monday 02 June 2008 19:56, Jes Sorensen wrote:
> > Jeremy Higdon wrote:
> > > We don't actually have that problem on the Altix.  All writes issued
> > > by CPU X will be ordered with respect to each other.  But writes by
> > > CPU X and CPU Y will not be, unless an mmiowb() is done by the
> > > original CPU before the second CPU writes.  I.e.
> > >
> > > 	CPU X	writel
> > > 	CPU X	writel
> > > 	CPU X	mmiowb
> > >
> > > 	CPU Y	writel
> > > 	...
> > >
> > > Note that this implies some sort of locking.  Also note that if in
> > > the above, CPU Y did the mmiowb, that would not work.
> >
> > Hmmm,
> >
> > Then it's less bad than I thought - my apologies for the confusion.
> >
> > Would we be able to use Ben's trick of setting a per cpu flag in
> > writel() then and checking that in spin unlock issuing the mmiowb()
> > there if needed?
> 
> Yes you could, but your writels would still not be strongly ordered
> within (or outside) spinlock regions, which is what Linus wants (and
> I kind of agree with).

Yes they would be.  Writes from the same CPU are always ordered.  Writes
from different CPUs are not, but that's only a concern if you protect
writing via some sort of lock.  If the lock release forces a barrier,
that should take care of the problem.

jeremy

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-03  8:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-05-27  1:33           ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:40             ` David Miller
2008-05-27  2:15               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  2:28                 ` David Miller
2008-05-27  3:39                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 15:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23                       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33                         ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46                               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:42                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28  8:36                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05                                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30  1:13                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:07                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  7:24                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  8:27                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  9:22                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02  8:11                                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48                                               ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03  7:46                                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29  7:10                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29  7:10                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02  7:24                               ` Russell King
2008-06-02  7:24                                 ` Russell King
2008-06-03  4:16                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:16                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:32                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  6:48                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:53                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03  7:18                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  7:18                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 19:57                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:00                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04  2:05                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:46                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-06-04 11:47                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10  6:56                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10                                             ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05                                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11  3:29                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:29                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:40                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11  4:06                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07                                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11 16:07                                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  4:18                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:00                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  5:13                                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:35                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  6:02                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11  5:20                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:20                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04  2:19                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44                                       ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:25                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:25                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  6:39                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  3:42                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  4:08                     ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27  4:20                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  7:08                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  7:08                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:50                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37                         ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53                             ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17                                 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23                                 ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:23                                   ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47                             ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01                               ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30  9:36                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30 17:21                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31  7:57                                     ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:53                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-29 21:53                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30  9:39                                   ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30  9:48                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31  8:14                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  9:48                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:25                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30  3:56                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31  7:52                               ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02  9:56                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02                                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  4:33                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:15                                     ` Jeremy Higdon [this message]
2008-06-03  8:15                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  8:19                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:45                                         ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-03 16:52                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05  8:40                                       ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05  8:43                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13  0:07                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31  8:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27  8:24                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28             ` Jonathan Corbet

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