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From: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
	tony.luck-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-modules-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	Jon Masters <jonathan-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] reduce export symbol CRC table size on 64-bit archs
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:44:21 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200907092044.22108.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A51C71B0200007800008EE2-Qfbpwmsw6RoS3W1tAdPHOtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:12:51 pm Jan Beulich wrote:
> >Jan Beulich napsal(a):
> >> Since these CRCs are really only 32-bit quantities, there's no need to
> >> store them in 64-bit slots. Since, however, gcc doesn't allow
> >> respective initializations, asm() constructs get used to create the CRC
> >> tables (and its for that reason that the patch only makes x86-64 and
> >> ia64 utilize that functionality, as I can't verify this doesn't break
> >> in some subtle way elsewhere).
> >
> >...
> >
> >>  struct modversion_info
> >>  {
> >> -	unsigned long crc;
> >> +	ksym_crc_t crc;
> >>  	char name[MODULE_NAME_LEN];
> >>  };
> >
> >This change breaks module-init-tools:
> >Before:
> >$ /sbin/modprobe --dump-modversions _build/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko
> >
> >| head
> >
> >0xb49b735a      module_layout
> >0xdb7e6a70      bus_register
> >...
> >After:
> >$ /sbin/modprobe --dump-modversions
> >_build-crc-int/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko  | head
> >0x75646f6d91ea7b5c      le_layout
> >0x5f7375623e215f43      register
> >...
> >It also breaks the newly added depmod -E option (check symbol versions),
> >which also reads the struct modversion_info array (*). Is it possible
> >name the section differently (__versions2?) on those architectures where
> >the size changes, so that it is possible to fix m-i-t in a
> >backwards-compatible manner?
>
> First of all I'd view it as a design bug if user mode code assumptions
> prevent changes to the kernel.

Yes, but unfortunately it happens.  We do it much less than we used to, but 
there are limits.

> But taking this as an uncorrectable fact, I'd think that renaming the
> section would certainly be an option (though I'm unsure whether that would
> have other consequences - Rusty?), however I could also imagine other means
> to communicate to user land the width of a CRC value (e.g. adding an
> absolute symbol during the .ko linking stage).

No, just break it once.  And I still like the idea that we should do something 
more radical if we're going to break this anyway, rather than these nasty asm 
hacks.

Thanks,
Rusty.

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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>
Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tony.luck@intel.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	Jon Masters <jonathan@jonmasters.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] reduce export symbol CRC table size on 64-bit archs
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:44:21 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200907092044.22108.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
Message-ID: <20090709111421.9EXTjAdbhVg5gjw2_fzSdjSEpr4DusYOHJkr393gj6U@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A51C71B0200007800008EE2@vpn.id2.novell.com>

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 05:12:51 pm Jan Beulich wrote:
> >Jan Beulich napsal(a):
> >> Since these CRCs are really only 32-bit quantities, there's no need to
> >> store them in 64-bit slots. Since, however, gcc doesn't allow
> >> respective initializations, asm() constructs get used to create the CRC
> >> tables (and its for that reason that the patch only makes x86-64 and
> >> ia64 utilize that functionality, as I can't verify this doesn't break
> >> in some subtle way elsewhere).
> >
> >...
> >
> >>  struct modversion_info
> >>  {
> >> -	unsigned long crc;
> >> +	ksym_crc_t crc;
> >>  	char name[MODULE_NAME_LEN];
> >>  };
> >
> >This change breaks module-init-tools:
> >Before:
> >$ /sbin/modprobe --dump-modversions _build/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko
> >
> >| head
> >
> >0xb49b735a      module_layout
> >0xdb7e6a70      bus_register
> >...
> >After:
> >$ /sbin/modprobe --dump-modversions
> >_build-crc-int/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko  | head
> >0x75646f6d91ea7b5c      le_layout
> >0x5f7375623e215f43      register
> >...
> >It also breaks the newly added depmod -E option (check symbol versions),
> >which also reads the struct modversion_info array (*). Is it possible
> >name the section differently (__versions2?) on those architectures where
> >the size changes, so that it is possible to fix m-i-t in a
> >backwards-compatible manner?
>
> First of all I'd view it as a design bug if user mode code assumptions
> prevent changes to the kernel.

Yes, but unfortunately it happens.  We do it much less than we used to, but 
there are limits.

> But taking this as an uncorrectable fact, I'd think that renaming the
> section would certainly be an option (though I'm unsure whether that would
> have other consequences - Rusty?), however I could also imagine other means
> to communicate to user land the width of a CRC value (e.g. adding an
> absolute symbol during the .ko linking stage).

No, just break it once.  And I still like the idea that we should do something 
more radical if we're going to break this anyway, rather than these nasty asm 
hacks.

Thanks,
Rusty.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-09 11:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-30 11:51 [PATCH] reduce export symbol CRC table size on 64-bit archs Jan Beulich
2009-06-30 11:51 ` Jan Beulich
2009-06-30 22:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-07-01  5:00 ` Rusty Russell
2009-07-01  5:00   ` Rusty Russell
2009-07-01  7:00   ` Jan Beulich
2009-07-01  7:00     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found] ` <4A4A18780200007800008345-Qfbpwmsw6RoS3W1tAdPHOtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-03 20:16   ` Michal Marek
2009-07-03 20:16     ` Michal Marek
2009-07-06  7:42     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]       ` <4A51C71B0200007800008EE2-Qfbpwmsw6RoS3W1tAdPHOtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-09 11:14         ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-07-09 11:14           ` Rusty Russell
2009-07-10  7:23           ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]             ` <4A57089B0200007800009C0E-Qfbpwmsw6RoS3W1tAdPHOtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-10 14:36               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-07-10 14:36                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-07-10 15:50               ` Jon Masters
2009-07-10 15:50                 ` Jon Masters
2009-07-13  8:11               ` Michal Marek
2009-07-13  8:11                 ` Michal Marek
2009-07-13  8:44                 ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                   ` <4A5B101E020000780000A284-Qfbpwmsw6RoS3W1tAdPHOtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-14 10:29                     ` Jon Masters
2009-07-14 10:29                       ` Jon Masters
     [not found]                       ` <1247567372.31188.229.camel-gHXTUq7nJ1kAgR79ElizB2+biTydnCM9ILAQCsJbaHk@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-14 10:44                         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-07-14 10:44                           ` Marco d'Itri
2009-07-14 16:43                       ` H. Peter Anvin

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