From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
yinghai@kernel.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
hpa@zytor.com, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org, ebiederm@xmission.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/20] early_res: seperate common memmap func from e820.c to fw_memmap.c
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:05:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100322130530.GC12475@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100322113026.GA11526@brick.ozlabs.ibm.com>
* Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org> wrote:
> And I don't see the point of moving the x86 e820 stuff into the kernel
> directory. [...]
I dont see the point of that either - that is a mistake. e820 is an x86 bios
call and we shouldnt name a generic mechanism after that. e820 is absolutely
messy and has no place anywhere beyond x86.
The main technical argument i see is 'early_res versus LMB'. Even there i'd
prefer LMB from a technical quality POV.
> Well I personally don't mind if x86 uses early_res or whatever other code in
> arch/x86 to handle the problems that arise from deficient firmware. I just
> don't see any value in converting powerpc or sparc64 over to using ~2000
> lines of early_res/fw_memmap code where the existing ~500 lines of lmb code
> is working just fine.
Lets put it this way then: do you see any point in PowerPC making use of a 10+
million lines of code kernel that is being mainly (80%+) financed, developed,
tested and deployed by people who care about x86 mostly?
If yes then it seems like a pretty damn good deal to me for PowerPC to go
beyond its narrow short-term self-interest and work towards generalizations
more actively, and even consider touching its 500 lines of lmb code ...
I dont know how many times we've accomodated for non-x86 architectures in
various pieces of kernel code.
Obviously if there's bloat affecting PowerPC then that can be addressed via
technical measures. But we really shouldnt leave the slightly incompatible
early allocators in place. (we shouldnt have let them get created in the first
place, but that is water down the bridge.)
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-22 13:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-21 7:13 [PATCH 00/20] x86: early_res and irq_desc Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 01/20] x86: add find_e820_area_node Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 02/20] x86: add get_centaur_ram_top Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 03/20] x86: make e820 to be static Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 04/20] x86: use wake_system_ram_range instead of e820_any_mapped in agp path Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 05/20] x86: make e820 to be initdata Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 06/20] early_res: seperate common memmap func from e820.c to fw_memmap.c Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 2:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 2:46 ` Questions about SMP bootup control Zhu, Yijun (NSN - CN/Beijing)
2010-03-22 2:46 ` Zhu, Yijun (NSN - CN/Beijing)
2010-03-22 3:29 ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-22 7:45 ` Zhu, Yijun (NSN - CN/Beijing)
2010-03-22 3:56 ` [PATCH 06/20] early_res: seperate common memmap func from e820.c to fw_memmap.c Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 4:00 ` David Miller
2010-03-22 4:28 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 4:33 ` David Miller
2010-03-22 9:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 9:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 11:30 ` Paul Mackerras
2010-03-22 13:05 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-03-22 13:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 21:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 21:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 21:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 22:14 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 18:18 ` [PATCH 06/20] early_res: seperate common memmap func from e820.c to fw_memmap.cy Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-22 19:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 20:07 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 21:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 22:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-22 22:25 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 22:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-22 23:41 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-23 0:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-23 1:04 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-23 1:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-23 6:01 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-23 8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-23 9:02 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-23 9:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-24 4:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 4:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 5:54 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-24 7:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 18:37 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-24 9:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-24 9:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 4:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 6:05 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 20:47 ` [PATCH 06/20] early_res: seperate common memmap func from e820.c to fw_memmap.c Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 20:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-22 21:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-23 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-03-23 11:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-24 4:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-24 5:47 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-03-22 21:57 ` Paul Mackerras
2010-03-22 21:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 21:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 21:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 5:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 6:09 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 7:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 07/20] irq: move some interrupt arch_* functions into struct irq_chip Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 08/20] x86: fix out of order of gsi - full Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 09/20] x86: set nr_irqs_gsi only in probe_nr_irqs_gsi Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 10/20] x86: kill smpboot_hooks.h Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 11/20] x86: use vector_desc instead of vector_irq Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 12/20] genericirq: change ack/mask in irq_chip to take irq_desc instead of irq -- x86 and core Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 13/20] genericirq: change ack/mask in irq_chip to take irq_desc instead of irq -- other arch Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 14/20] genericirq: add set_irq_desc_chip/data Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 15/20] x86/iommu/dmar: update iommu/inter_remapping to use desc Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 16/20] x86: use num_processors for possible cpus Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 17/20] x86: make 32bit apic flat to physflat switch like 64bit Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 18/20] x86: remove arch_probe_nr_irqs Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 19/20] x86/pci: ioh new version read all at same time Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 16:16 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-22 16:16 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-22 19:32 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 19:32 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` [PATCH 20/20] x86/pci: add mmconf range into e820 for when it is from MSR with amd faml0h Yinghai Lu
2010-03-21 7:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2010-03-22 2:35 ` [PATCH 00/20] x86: early_res and irq_desc Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-03-22 3:26 ` Yinghai Lu
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