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From: Scott Lurndal <scott.lurndal@3leafsystems.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] X86: Optimise fls(), ffs() and fls64()
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:37:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100326173730.GA27489@pendragon.3leafnetworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1003261005490.3721@i5.linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:23:46AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, David Howells wrote:
> >
> > fls(N), ffs(N) and fls64(N) can be optimised on x86/x86_64.  Currently they
> > perform checks against N being 0 before invoking the BSR/BSF instruction, or
> > use a CMOV instruction afterwards.  Either the check involves a conditional
> > jump which we'd like to avoid, or a CMOV, which we'd also quite like to avoid.
> > 
> > Instead, we can make use of the fact that BSR/BSF doesn't modify its output
> > register if its input is 0.  By preloading the output with -1 and incrementing
> > the result, we achieve the desired result without the need for a conditional
> > check.
> 
> This is totally incorrect.
> 
> Where did you find that "doesn't modify its output" thing? It's not true. 
> The truth is that the destination is undefined. Just read the dang Intel 
> documentation, it's very clearly stated right there.

While this is true for the current (253666-031US) Intel documentation,
the AMD documentation (rev 3.14) for the same instruction states that the
destination register is unchanged (as opposed to Intel's undefined).

I wonder if Intel's EM64 stuff makes this more deterministic, perhaps
David's implementation would work for x86_64 only?

scott

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-26 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4BACCB4E.7010108@draigBrady.com>
2010-03-26 14:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] X86: Optimise fls(), ffs() and fls64() David Howells
2010-03-26 14:42   ` [PATCH 2/3] Adjust the comment on get_order() to describe the size==0 case David Howells
2010-03-26 14:42   ` [PATCH 3/3] Optimise get_order() David Howells
2010-03-26 14:42     ` David Howells
2010-03-26 17:23   ` [PATCH 1/3] X86: Optimise fls(), ffs() and fls64() Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26 17:37     ` Scott Lurndal [this message]
2010-03-26 17:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-04-06 13:57         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-06 14:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26 17:42   ` David Howells
2010-03-26 17:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26 17:58       ` Ralf Baechle
2010-03-26 18:03         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-26 18:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-04-06 13:30           ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-04-14 11:49           ` David Howells
2010-04-14 14:30             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-15  8:48             ` David Howells
2010-04-15  8:49               ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-15 11:41                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-26 17:52     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-04-14 13:13   ` David Howells
2010-01-13 19:39 David Howells
2010-01-13 20:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-01-13 21:59 ` David Howells

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