From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] get_write_access()/deny_write_access() without inode->i_lock
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:42:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620164211.GV11521@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikUi9M1Mx4L54vJOP0SK0P3yAz=uQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 09:22:32AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Er... ?The current mainline does atomic_read() followed by atomic_inc(),
> > so we get the same thing (plus the spin_lock()/spin_unlock()), don't we?
>
> Yes. Unless the spinlock is in the same cacheline. No reason not to
> fix that, though.
>
> Of course, if the "ETXTBUSY" case is the common case (which I doubt),
> then not doing the write at all would be the optimal case. But I doubt
> that case is even worth really worrying about ;)
It isn't, unless your box is spinning in attempts to do something like
opening /bin/sh for write. In which case you've got worse problems ;-)
>
> > For get_write_access() it's probably the right assumption for everything but
> > /dev/tty*; for deny_write_access() it's not - a lot of binaries are run by
> > more than one process...
>
> Note the fact that EVEN IF WE GUESS INCORRECTLY, performance is likely
> better by guessing rather than reading, unless you know the thing is
> already in the local CPU cache.
>
> Doing the loop twice instead of once is still *much* faster than an
> extra cache transaction that goes to the bus (or L3 or whatever).
>
> > FWIW, I wonder what will the things look like on ll/sc architectures;
>
> There are no ll/sc architectures worth worrying about, so I don't
> think that's the primary concern. That said, I don't disagree with
> creating a "atomic_inc_unless_negative()" helper.
OK... Let me see if I got it right:
static inline int atomic_inc_unless_negative(atomic_t *p)
{
int v, v1;
for (v = 0; v >= 0; v = v1) {
v1 = atomic_cmpxchg(p, v, v + 1);
if (v == v1)
return 1;
}
return 0;
}
with get_write_access(inode) becoming
return atomic_inc_unless_negative(&inode->i_writecount) ? 0 : -ETXTBUSY;
and similar for atomic_dec_unless_positive()/deny_write_access()?
BTW, atomic_add_unless/atomic_inc_not_zero is done as read/cmpxchg on
everything I've checked, including alpha and sparc. I suspect that
it's seriously suboptimal there...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-20 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-19 23:51 [RFC] get_write_access()/deny_write_access() without inode->i_lock Al Viro
2011-06-20 12:47 ` David Howells
2011-06-20 12:47 ` David Howells
2011-06-20 13:18 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 13:18 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 13:20 ` David Howells
2011-06-20 13:20 ` David Howells
2011-06-20 13:21 ` Frantisek Hrbata
2011-06-20 14:15 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 15:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-20 15:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-20 16:13 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 16:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-20 16:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-20 16:42 ` Al Viro [this message]
2011-06-20 16:42 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 17:03 ` Al Viro
2011-06-20 19:47 ` Andi Kleen
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