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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-c6x-dev@linux-c6x.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Tomasz Stanislawski <t.stanislaws@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [Linux-c6x-dev] [PATCH 3/9] c6x: Provide dma_mmap_coherent() and dma_get_sgtable()
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:42:21 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130122114221.02bb54b3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1358850727.2387.21.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com>

Em Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:32:07 +0000
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> escreveu:

> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 10:16 +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > [adding Mauro and v4l since they're the only non-arm consumers]
> > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 10:13 +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 22:59 +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 21:00 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM, James Bottomley
> > > > > <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 15:07 +0100, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
> > > > > >> On 1/15/2013 10:13 AM, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > > >> > Marek?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Vineet Gupta
> > > > > >> > <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > On Monday 14 January 2013 09:07 PM, Mark Salter wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 11:44 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > > > >> > >>> c6x/allmodconfig (assumed):
> > > > > >> > >>>
> > > > > >> > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c: In function ‘vb2_dc_mmap’:
> > > > > >> > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c:204: error: implicit declaration of function ‘dma_mmap_coherent’
> > > > > >> > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c: In function ‘vb2_dc_get_base_sgt’:
> > > > > >> > >>> drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c:387: error: implicit declaration of function ‘dma_get_sgtable’
> > > > > >> > >>>
> > > > > >> > >>> For architectures using dma_map_ops, dma_mmap_coherent() and
> > > > > >> > >>> dma_get_sgtable() are provided in <asm-generic/dma-mapping-common.h>.
> > > > > >> > >>>
> > > > > >> > >>> C6x does not use dma_map_ops, hence it should implement them as inline
> > > > > >> > >>> stubs using dma_common_mmap() and dma_common_get_sgtable().
> > > > > >> > >>>
> > > > > >> > >> So are dma_mmap_coherent() and dma_get_sgtable() part of the DMA API
> > > > > >> > >> now? I don't them in Documentation/DMA*.txt anywhere.
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >> Why does the default dma_common_mmap() for !CONFIG_MMU return an
> > > > > >> > >> error?
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >> Wouldn't it be better to provide default implementations that an arch
> > > > > >> > >> could override rather than having to patch all "no dma_map_ops"
> > > > > >> > >> architectures?
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > Speaking for the still-reviewed ARC Port, I completely agree with Mark.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> dma_mmap_coherent() was partially in the DMA mapping API for some time, but
> > > > > >> it was available only on a few architectures (afair ARM, powerpc and avr32).
> > > > > >> This caused significant problems for writing unified device drivers or some
> > > > > >> device helper modules which were aimed to work on more than one
> > > > > >> architecture.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> dma_get_sgtable() is an extension discussed during the Linaro meetings. It
> > > > > >> is required to correctly implement buffer sharing between device driver
> > > > > >> without hacks or any assumptions about memory layout in the device drivers.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have implemented some generic code for both of those two functions,
> > > > > >> keeping
> > > > > >> in mind that on some hardware architectures (like already mentioned VIVT)
> > > > > >> it might be not possible to provide coherent mapping to userspace. It is
> > > > > >> perfectly fine for those functions to return an error in such case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not possible on VIPT either.  This means that the API is unusable
> > > > > > on quite a large number of architectures.  Surely, if we're starting to
> > > > > > write drivers using this, we need to fix the API before more people try
> > > > > > to use it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For PA-RISC (and all other VIPT, I assume) I need an API which allows me
> > > > > > to remap the virtual address of the kernel component (probably using the
> > > > > > kmap area) so the user space and kernel space addresses are congruent.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So what are we gonna do for 3.8? I'd like to get my allmodconfig build
> > > > > green again ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Change the API?
> > > > 
> > > > Well, if we want the API to work universally, we have to.  As I said,
> > > > for VIPT systems, the only coherency mechanism we have is the virtual
> > > > address ... we have to fix that in the kernel to be congruent with the
> > > > userspace virtual address if we want coherency between the kernel and
> > > > userspace.
> > > > 
> > > > However, if it only needs to work on ARM and x86, it can stay the way it
> > > > is and we could just pull it out of the generic core.
> > > > 
> > > > Who actually wants to use this API, and what for?
> > > > 
> > > > > Keep the API but do a best-effort fix to unbreak the builds?
> > > > >   - Apply my patches that got acks (avr32/blackfin/cris/m68k),
> > > > >   - Use static inlines that return -EINVAL for the rest
> > > > > (c6x/frv/mn10300/parisc/xtensa).
> > > > > I still have a few m68k fixes queued for 3.8, for which I've been postponing the
> > > > > pull request to get this sorted out, so I could include the above.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any other solution?
> > > > 
> > > > If it's an API that only works on ARM and x86, there's not much point
> > > > pretending it's universal, so we should remove it from the generic arch
> > > > code and allow only those architectures which can use it.
> > > 
> > > There might be a simple solution:  just replace void *cpu_addr with void
> > > **cpu_addr in the API.  This is a bit nasty since compilers think that
> > > void ** to void * conversion is quite legal, so it would be hard to pick
> > > up misuse of this (uint8_t ** would be better).  That way VIPT could
> > > remap the kernel pages to a coherent address.  This would probably have
> > > to change in the dma_mmap_attr() and dma_ops structures.
> > > 
> > > All consumers would have to expect cpu_addr might change, but that seems
> > > doable.
> > 
> > Mauro, will this work for you and the v4l guys?  You've got a use
> > embedded in 
> > 
> > drivers/media/v4l2-core/videobuf2-dma-contig.c
> > 
> > Which I can't tell how extensive it might be.
> 
> Also, this implementation is really not done well.
> 
> ppc has this:
> 
> arch/powerpc/include/asm/dma-mapping.h:#define ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT
> 
> But no other architecture does.
> 
> Nothing is gated on this except pcm_native.c which has this wonderful
> snippet:
> 
> #ifndef ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT
> /* This should be defined / handled globally! */
> #ifdef CONFIG_ARM
> #define ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT
> #endif
> #endif
> 
> Since there's no documentation at all, it's hard to tell what's going
> on.
> 
> However, I'd suggest
> 
>      1. Move to an API that is at least capable of implementation on all
>         architectures
>      2. Utilize ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT to fix the compile problems
>         within the architectures
>      3. Document whatever is chosen so we don't end up in this mess
>         again.

Agreed.

I remember some efforts were done in the past years moving toward a common
interface, when DMABUF were introduced (and people explicitly mentioned
ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT on such discussions), like on this thread:
	http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg30487.html

While I followed part of that discussion, I didn't actually track the
arm-specific patches. So, I'm not sure why ARCH_HAS_DMA_MMAP_COHERENT
is not defined on arm.

Maybe Tomasz or Marek may have more details.

Regards,
Mauro

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-01-22 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-13 10:44 [PATCH 1/9] avr32: Provide dma_mmap_coherent() and dma_get_sgtable() Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found] ` <1358073890-3610-1-git-send-email-geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-13 10:44   ` [PATCH 2/9] blackfin: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-15  8:12     ` [uclinux-dist-devel] " Jiang, Scott
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 3/9] c6x: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-14 15:37   ` [Linux-c6x-dev] " Mark Salter
2013-01-15  4:16     ` Vineet Gupta
2013-01-15  9:13       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-15 14:07         ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-15 16:56           ` James Bottomley
2013-01-21 20:00             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-21 22:59               ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:13                 ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:16                   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:32                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 10:32                       ` James Bottomley
2013-01-22 13:42                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2013-01-22 13:23                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2013-01-22 10:33                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:47                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-23  9:47                   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-23  9:47                     ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-23 10:29                     ` James Bottomley
2013-01-23 17:44                       ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-24 11:14                         ` James Bottomley
2013-01-24 11:14                           ` James Bottomley
2013-01-24 10:49               ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:15             ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-01-22 10:22               ` James Bottomley
2013-01-23  7:23                 ` Vineet Gupta
2013-01-23  8:58                   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 4/9] cris: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-14  8:38   ` Jesper Nilsson
2013-01-14  8:38     ` Jesper Nilsson
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 5/9] frv: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 6/9] m68k: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 7/9] mn10300: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 8/9] parisc: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 11:36   ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 13:12     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 13:49       ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 14:52         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 16:37           ` James Bottomley
2013-01-13 10:44 ` [PATCH 9/9] xtensa: " Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 10:44   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/9] avr32: " Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2013-01-13 16:01   ` Hans-Christian Egtvedt

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