From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
akpm@linuxfoundation.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [pchecks v2 2/2] percpu: Add preemption checks to __this_cpu ops
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 17:35:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131003153522.GA31978@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000001417eac34d5-43f9e4c6-661b-4329-ab17-4b8a044922c8-000000@email.amazonses.com>
* Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2013, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> > It was important to me and other maintainers as well back then and today
> > as well, as me and others complained about it out numerous times.
>
> Yes there were some complaints and in discussions about what to do. I
> suggested how this could be addressed. But no patches showed up [...]
_You_ added the facility with broken (== non-existent) preemption
debugging for __this_cpu ops, _you_ caused Peter Zijstra and others to
waste time due to you ignoring those requests to add debugging. Everyone
rightfully expected _you_ to fix the problem you introduced.
And now you blame the victims of your sloppiness, that they should have
fixed the problem you introduced?
> [...] and there were always other more pressing things. Especially since
> this is a minor issue related to CONFIG_PREEMPT which seems to be not in
> use in the kernels that I see in HPC, FIS and the industry at large.
People wasting time and the kernel becoming less robust is not a minor
issue at all.
> > I can fix that omission easily: consider all your __this_cpu* patches
> > NAK-ed by me until the (trivial) preemption debug checks are upstream
> > worthy:
> >
> > - tested
> > - complete
> > - don't produce false warnings when enabled.
>
> Not sure what tests you will like to see run and if it is even possible
> to test all possible kernel runtime configurations. You seem to have
> some setup to do some testing along these lines I believe?
As a starting point it would be fine if you tested it on your own systems
with all relevant debugging enabled...
> These two patches will allow this testing to be done. And I do not see
> any mention of technical issues with the code. [...]
Here's the list of open technical problems:
- Lack of testing - you have not stated it whether any warnings trigger
with those two patches applied and debugging enabled, on your systems.
- I pointed out in detail how your last submission was broken in several
places which show lack of time and care on the patch series.
- Your statement in the discussion that warnings will trigger with the
debug option enabled points to an obvious technical problem as well -
all warnings known to trigger by you should be fixed by you, as part of
the series.
Please resolve these technical problems and resend a clean, tested,
working series.
Until all the problems are addressed my NAK stands and I suspect Peter
Zijlstra's as well.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-03 15:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20130924154159.855373283@linux.com>
2013-09-24 15:41 ` [pchecks v2 1/2] Subject; percpu: Add raw_cpu_ops Christoph Lameter
2013-09-24 15:41 ` [pchecks v2 2/2] percpu: Add preemption checks to __this_cpu ops Christoph Lameter
2013-09-24 15:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-24 17:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-25 16:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-25 16:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-25 18:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-27 13:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-09-28 8:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-02 15:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-03 7:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-09-28 8:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-02 15:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-02 15:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-03 7:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-03 14:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-03 14:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-03 15:35 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-10-03 15:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-10-03 16:44 ` Ingo Molnar
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