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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] memory-barriers: remove smp_mb__after_unlock_lock()
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 08:11:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150716151142.GR3717@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1437023695.28088.29.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 03:14:55PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 15:03 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 12:00 +1000, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > > That would fix the problem with smp_mb__after_unlock_lock(), but not
> > > the original worry we had about loads happening before the SC in lock.
> > 
> > However I think isync fixes *that* :-) The problem with isync is as you
> > said, it's not a -memory- barrier per-se, it's an execution barrier /
> > context synchronizing instruction. The combination stwcx. + bne + isync
> > however prevents the execution of anything past the isync until the
> > stwcx has completed and the bne has been "decided", which prevents loads
> > from leaking into the LL/SC loop. It will also prevent a store in the
> > lock from being issued before the stwcx. has completed. It does *not*
> > prevent as far as I can tell another unrelated store before the lock
> > from leaking into the lock, including the one used to unlock a different
> > lock.
> 
> Except that the architecture says:
> 
> <<
> Because a Store Conditional instruction may com-
> plete before its store has been performed, a condi-
> tional Branch instruction that depends on the CR0
> value set by a Store Conditional instruction does
> not order the Store Conditional's store with respect
> to storage accesses caused by instructions that
> follow the Branch
> >>
> 
> So isync in lock in architecturally incorrect, despite being what the
> architecture recommends using, yay !

Well, the architecture isn't expecting that crazies like myself would
want to have an unlock-lock provide ordering to some CPU not holding
the lock.  :-/

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-16 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-13 12:15 [RFC PATCH v2] memory-barriers: remove smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() Will Deacon
2015-07-13 13:09 ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 13:09   ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 14:24   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 15:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 13:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 14:09   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 14:09     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 14:21     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 15:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 17:50         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-13 20:20           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 23:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 10:04                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 10:04                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 12:45                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 12:51                     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 12:51                       ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 14:00                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 14:00                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-14 14:12                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-14 19:31                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15  1:38                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15  1:38                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-15 10:51                               ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15 10:51                                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15 13:12                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-24 11:31                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-24 15:30                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-12 13:44                                       ` Will Deacon
2015-08-12 15:43                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-12 17:59                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-13 10:49                                             ` Will Deacon
2015-08-13 10:49                                               ` Will Deacon
2015-08-13 13:10                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-13 13:10                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-17  4:06                                           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-17  6:15                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-17  8:57                                               ` Will Deacon
2015-08-18  1:50                                                 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-18  8:37                                                   ` Will Deacon
2015-08-20  9:45                                                     ` Michael Ellerman
2015-08-20 15:56                                                       ` Will Deacon
2015-08-20 15:56                                                         ` Will Deacon
2015-08-26  0:27                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-08-26  4:06                                                           ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-13 18:23         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 19:41           ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 19:41             ` Peter Hurley
2015-07-13 20:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 20:16               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 22:43                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-13 22:43                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-14  8:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-14  8:34                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-13 22:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:53                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-13 22:37         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-13 22:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-14 10:16   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-15  3:06   ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-15  3:06     ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-15 10:44     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-16  2:00       ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  2:00         ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  5:03         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-16  5:14           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-16 15:11             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-07-16 22:54               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-17  9:32                 ` Will Deacon
2015-07-17  9:32                   ` Will Deacon
2015-07-17 10:15                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-17 12:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-17 22:14                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-20 13:39                     ` Will Deacon
2015-07-20 13:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-20 13:56                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-20 21:18                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-07-22 16:49                         ` Will Deacon
2015-07-22 16:49                           ` Will Deacon
2015-09-01  2:57             ` Paul Mackerras
2015-07-15 14:18     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-16  1:34       ` Michael Ellerman
2015-07-16  1:34         ` Michael Ellerman

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