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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] barriers: introduce smp_mb__release_acquire and update documentation
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 12:43:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150916104314.GA3604@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150916102908.GA28771@arm.com>

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:29:08AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Indeed, that is a hole in the definition, that I think we should close.

> I'm struggling to understand the hole, but here's my intuition. If an
> ACQUIRE on CPUx reads from a RELEASE by CPUy, then I'd expect CPUx to
> observe all memory accessed performed by CPUy prior to the RELEASE
> before it observes the RELEASE itself, regardless of this new barrier.
> I think this matches what we currently have in memory-barriers.txt (i.e.
> acquire/release are neither transitive or multi-copy atomic).

Ah agreed. I seem to have gotten my brain in a tangle.

Basically where a program order release+acquire relies on an address
dependency, a cross cpu release+acquire relies on causality. If we
observe the release, we must also observe everything prior to it etc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-16 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-15 16:13 [PATCH] barriers: introduce smp_mb__release_acquire and update documentation Will Deacon
2015-09-15 17:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-16  9:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-16 10:29     ` Will Deacon
2015-09-16 10:29       ` Will Deacon
2015-09-16 10:43       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-09-16 10:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-16 11:07         ` Will Deacon
2015-09-16 11:07           ` Will Deacon
2015-09-17  2:50           ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-17  7:57             ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-17  7:57               ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-17 18:00             ` Will Deacon
2015-09-21 13:45               ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 13:45                 ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 14:10                 ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 14:10                   ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-21 22:23                   ` Will Deacon
2015-09-21 22:23                     ` Will Deacon
2015-09-21 23:42                     ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-22 15:22                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-22 15:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-22 15:58                       ` Will Deacon
2015-09-22 15:58                         ` Will Deacon
2015-09-22 16:38                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-16 11:49 ` Boqun Feng
2015-09-16 16:38   ` Will Deacon
2015-09-17  1:56     ` Boqun Feng

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