From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>
Cc: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, x86-ml <x86@kernel.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Emese Revfy <re.emese@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH 0/2] introduce post-init read-only memory
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 09:54:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151126085425.GA29848@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <565595F5.32536.DB9FE75@pageexec.freemail.hu>
* PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu> wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2015 at 10:13, Mathias Krause wrote:
>
> > I myself had some educating experience seeing my machine triple fault
> > when resuming from a S3 sleep. The root cause was a variable that was
> > annotated __read_only but that was (unnecessarily) modified during CPU
> > bring-up phase. Debugging that kind of problems is sort of a PITA, you
> > could imagine.
( Sidenote: I don't think a ro-faults typically result in triple faults, but yeah,
even having a regular oops (followed by a hang or reboot) during such an
undebuggable state of the system is a major PITA. )
> actually the kernel could silently recover from this given how the page fault
> handler could easily determine that the fault address fell into the
> data..read_only section and just silently undo the read-only property, log the
> event to dmesg and retry the faulting access.
So a safer method would be to decode the faulting instruction, to skip it by
fixing up the return RIP and to log the event. It would be mostly equivalent to
trying to write to ROM (which get ignored as well), so it's a recoverable (and
debuggable) event.
We have all the necessary code in place in the kprobes code, see
arch/x86/lib/insn.c, it's a simplified x86 decoder that knows about instruction
length (but not about semantics).
Simple skipping plus setting arithmetic flags to init value should be enough I
think: I don't think we use fancy instructions to write to ro variables, such as
PUSH/POP with other side effects. If such instructions exist we could minimally
extend the decoder to do those fixups as well - in addition to double checking
that we skip simple instructions only with no side effects.
Can you see any fragility in such a technique?
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-26 8:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-24 21:38 [PATCH 0/2] introduce post-init read-only memory Kees Cook
2015-11-24 21:38 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-24 21:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86: " Kees Cook
2015-11-24 21:38 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 0:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-25 0:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-25 0:44 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 0:54 ` [kernel-hardening] " Michael Ellerman
2015-11-25 15:03 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 23:05 ` Michael Ellerman
2015-11-25 23:32 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 23:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2015-11-24 21:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86, vdso: mark vDSO read-only after init Kees Cook
2015-11-24 21:38 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 9:13 ` [PATCH 0/2] introduce post-init read-only memory Mathias Krause
2015-11-25 9:13 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2015-11-25 10:06 ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-11-25 10:06 ` Clemens Ladisch
2015-11-25 11:14 ` PaX Team
2015-11-25 11:14 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-25 11:05 ` PaX Team
2015-11-25 11:05 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-26 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-11-26 9:57 ` PaX Team
2015-11-26 9:57 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-26 10:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-26 12:14 ` PaX Team
2015-11-26 12:14 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-27 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-27 8:05 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2015-11-27 15:29 ` PaX Team
2015-11-27 15:29 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-27 16:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-29 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-29 8:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-29 11:15 ` PaX Team
2015-11-29 11:15 ` [kernel-hardening] " PaX Team
2015-11-29 15:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-29 18:05 ` Mathias Krause
2015-11-29 18:05 ` [kernel-hardening] " Mathias Krause
2015-11-30 8:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-30 8:01 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2015-11-26 16:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-26 16:11 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-27 7:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-27 7:59 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2015-11-27 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-27 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-27 18:03 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2015-11-27 20:03 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-27 20:03 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2015-11-27 20:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-29 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-29 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-11-30 21:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-30 21:14 ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-30 21:33 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-30 21:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-30 21:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-30 21:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-30 21:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-25 17:26 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2015-11-25 17:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-25 17:31 ` [kernel-hardening] " H. Peter Anvin
2015-11-25 18:54 ` Kees Cook
2015-11-25 19:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
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